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From: "Maureen Player" <>
Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:42:20 +1100
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Rae,

There doen't seem to be any record of him on the Constance -in fact no visit
from that ship in 1854. Have you seen the original document for his
naturalisation? Could the 4 actually be a 1? The Constance did arrive in
1851.

There doesn't seem to be any record of him among the passengers of the
Constance however is it possible he was crew?

The other possibility is that he lied on his naturalisation papers. People
did it all the time to cover up various indiscretions. He may have arrived
in Port Arthur and sailed across.

Keep digging and best of luck!

Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: "greg & rae ryan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust


> Hi Maureen,
> Yes thats him, he came into Nsw from Vic but where from & what year . The
> only 2 ships that are mentioned are the Constance & the Helen Baird. What
> i
> need to find out (if possible) where the Constance came from & what year.
> His Naturalization papers says 1854 on the Constance but he came to Nsw in
> 1853 on the Helen Baird.Now wouldn't you be a bit confused.
> Rae
> From: "Maureen Player" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>
>
>> Hi Rae,
>>
>> Actually somebody else researching the same family told me! So no points
>> for
>> genius here I'm afraid.
>>
>> Since then we have found the births/deaths of their Australian born
>> children
>> registered as PORT, POND, PUNT, PUND, POUND etc. Both parents were
>> illiterate and I assume they had little or no English on arrival so the
>> spelling was the best guess of the recording clerk. All of them had
>> several
>> Christian names and used any or all at the drop of a hat so it took a
>> long
>> time to figure out that the couple didn't have seven sets of triplets!
>> Adding to the headache was the fact that the daughters all married very
>> young and had up to four husbands each and in fact sometimes married each
>> other's husbands. VERY weird and definitely a challenge to sort out.
>>
>> They came from Mecklenburg-Schwerin aboard the Undine.
>>
>> I looked at the passenger list for the constance and did not see anyone
>> who
>> looked a likely suspect for your ancestors however I tried another
>> website
>>
>> http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au
>>
>> and came across a HAUBER on board the Helen Baird which sailed from
>> Melbourne to Sydney on Jan 16th 1853. Would he be yours?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Maureen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "greg & rae ryan" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>
>>
>>> Maureen,
>>> Yes that would be hard not knowing they were under a different spelling,
>>> do
>>> you know which port your ancestors left from in Germany. My ancestors
>>> have
>>> the last name HAUBER. How did you finally decide it was them.
>>> Rae.
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rae
>>>> If you go to the PROV website (Vic records) and search the online
>>>> indexes
>>>> you will see Index to Registers of Assisted British Immigrants
>>>> 1839-1871.
>>>> Enter 'Constance' for a full passenger list.
>>>>
>>>> Just a clue, my German ancestors remained hidden for years...... I
>>>> looked
>>>> in
>>>> vain for PONT when they actually arrived under PUNDT.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck.
>>>> M
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "greg & rae ryan" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maureen,
>>>>> Would you know if there was a passenger list for the Constance . My
>>>>> ancestor
>>>>> came from germany into Aust sometime around 1851/1852 . Have him
>>>>> coming
>>>>> into
>>>>> NSW from Melbourne in 1853 on "HelenBaird". Need to confirm his
>>>>> passage
>>>>> on
>>>>> the "Constance".
>>>>> Rae
>>>>> From: "Maureen Player" <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Constance Sailed from Plymouth UK in July 1851. She was built in
>>>>>> Sunderland in 1848.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other ship I was referring to was actually the Confiance...not
>>>>>> Constanzia as first thought. Information about it can be found on the
>>>>>> website 'The Ship's List'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "greg & rae ryan" <>
>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>> Do you know where that ship came from
>>>>>>> Rae.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Maureen Player" <>
>>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:42 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Rae,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had an ancestor arrive in Port Phillip on board the Contance in
>>>>>>>> October
>>>>>>>> 1851. I have an idea that there was also a ship called the
>>>>>>>> Constanzia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maureen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "greg & rae ryan" <>
>>>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] "Constance" arriving into Aust
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone have a look for a shipping arrival into Aust for the
>>>>>>>>> ship
>>>>>>>>> "Constance" around 1852-1854. I am not sure whether it came
>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> Germany or via America.My gggrandfather was on it as stated on his
>>>>>>>>> nat
>>>>>>>>> papers but i can't find a record for that ship coming into Aust
>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> time. I have my fingers crossed on this one that i might be lucky.
>>>>>>>>> Rae.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Allen James Krueger" <>
>>>>>>>>> To: <>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:15 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] new German web site
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://germanoriginality.com/
>>>>>>>>>> http://germanoriginality.com/heritage/genealogy.php
>>>>>>>>>>
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