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From: "John Buckingham" <>
Subject: Re: [AUS-NSW-SURNAMES] more re William Henry BURGESS m TheresaMcAVOY, 1878, Parramatta
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:18:09 +1100
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Hi list, are there any family out there from the marriage of John Carmichael
Wyllie/Grace Reed Relph, married 1906 Erskinville...regards Lyn
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From: "Migs Eder" <>
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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: [AUS-NSW-SURNAMES] more re William Henry BURGESS m Theresa
McAVOY,1878, Parramatta
> Greetings cousins
>
> I'm very happy about the possibilities opening up - and have thanked
> Marg, especially, off-List. The couple at 33 Denison St, Lewisham, in
> 1903, seem very likely to be the ones I'm currently tracking.
>
> I first tried hunting the Aus lost brothers in 2002, and it seems
> that what I need to find is still not there. It's progress, but until
> I find a group of kids called Richard, Winifred, Thomas, Albert, and
> possibly Gertrude, as well as the ubiquitous Henry and Elizabeth and
> Mary / Maria / Marian/ Minnie, I can't be sure these people are mine.
>
> And I don't have their marriage record. Many of the certificates I've
> got didn't have what I wanted and expected to see on them. And there
> are too many William Henry Burgesses about for me to want to get that
> without some extra evidence that this is the right one. After all,
> these three brothers end up in NZ, Ireland, and Aus, so I can't make
> an assumption that one is anywhere. It does lead me to wonder if they
> wandered off elsewhere between marriage in 1878, when they were 20,
> and their later appearance in Lewisham by 1903: but there should
> still be children at home? Do I have a chance of finding these?
>
> Meanwhile, any other speculations or possibilities are welcome.
>
> migs
> Christchurch
> NZ
>
>
> Original message
>
> I'm hunting brothers of my grandfather's father. They were born in
> New Zealand, and moved "back" to Aus with their remarried Irish
> mother Winifred and step-father Sydney Dyer about 1872. I have Win's
> death record at Redfern, but almost nothing in between.
>
> The boys then diverged (family legend says). One went "Back to
> Ireland" and one stayed in Aus. Searching NSW online records (aren't
> they wonderful!) I find a William Henry Burgess marries a Theresa
> McAvoy at Parramatta, 1878, when our lad of this name would be
> 20. . . . . No definite children show up for this pair of parents.
> Deaths for either don't show. They moved out of NSW? They don't show
> in the Tasmanian searchable index, or other searchable indexes that I
> can find.
>
> He was around until about 1920 or 1930, as he is remembered as
> corresponding with his brother in NZ, but of course no letters
> survive, so we have no old addresses.
>
> Thomas Alfred Burgess, b 1862, doesn't show in the records. He's the
> one who reputedly went "back" to Ireland and married an Irish girl.
> (It's possible he's one of the Thomases with no middle initial, but
> - . Family legends get muddled. The brothers could be in family
> history the wrong way round.)
>
> Burgess births to various Williams or Thomases show a lack of family
> names: from parents (Master Mariner) Richard Plummer Burgess and
> Winifred Mary Minnie, for instance.
>
> I can't find a birth for bride Theresa MacAvoy ( or McAvoy) in NSW
> records, but it occurs to me that someone may have her in their tree,
> or have some other strand that may help me unravel these missing lads.
>
>
>
> Civilisation is a movement and not a condition, a voyage and not a
> harbour - Arnold Toynbee, English historian, 1889 - 1975
>
>
>
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