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From: Michelle van Kemenade-Kranz <>
Subject: Re: [SEQ] Apostolic Church
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 08:51:36 +0200
In-Reply-To: <000101c32e48$9c176dd0$0100a8c0@lorrae2>


Hi Albert ,

Quickly looking through what I could find on the Internet and the links I
have used while searching for information on my fathers side of the family
who were Irish Huguenots and in later years were members of the Apostolic
church, I have found the following links :
http://www.apostolic.org.au/list.cfm?state=qld
There are 14 Assemblies in
The State of Queensland

http://www.apostolic.org.au/
In the early part of the twentieth century, revival was evidenced in Great
Britain and especially in the part which is known as Wales. Many people
have heard of the Welsh Revival. That is the time at which the seeds for
the birth of the Apostolic Movement were planted.
A number of people, among whom was Daniel P. Williams who later became the
first President of the Apostolic Church in Great Britain, were mightily
filled with the Holy Spirit in Wales and had a great desire to know more of
God and His purpose for the Church.

In 1913 Daniel Powell Williams was ordained an Apostle in The Body of st.
His brother, William Jones Williams, was ordained as a Prophet in 1913.
They, along with others, were called together to demonstrate the New
Testament offices of Apostle and Prophet in the United Kingdom. As a result
of this, these ministries have been exercised in countries and continents
of the world. The Apostolic Church was first formed in Wales in 1916

http://www.apostolic-church.org/index.html


http://www.apostolicchurchqld.org.au/SubPages/ChurchHistory.htm

The Apostolic Church of Queensland
Established Queensland 1886 - Registered under the "Religious, Education
and Charitable Institution Act of 1861"

By 1912 the Australian Apostle also withdrew from "The New Apostolic
Church" and so began the birth of the name "The Apostolic Church of
Queensland." Both groups continued separately from that time

It was from now that the Evangelist commenced to testify, and through his
zeal he soon convinced his new found friend and others to the true faith.
So the commencement and the foundation of the Apostolic faith was laid in
Queensland, Australia. Shortly after this, Mr. Janke asked him to come to
Grandchester, which voice he followed. He there told him that at Mt. Beppo,
near Esk, there were something like 14 families who had no minister. This
pleased the Evangelist, and he made arrangements to meet them. He wrote to
them, and they asked him to call on them, which he did, so the day was
appointed when he should meet them. He loaned a horse from a brother in the
faith, Wolther, and on November 12th, 1884, at three in the morning he
commenced his journey, having no idea of the distance, or the right course
to take.


http://www.apostolicchurchqld.org.au/SubPages/Extracts.htm

Extract from "Religious Bodies in Australia" : Trinitarian Christian:
Apostolic (neo-Irvingite)
The Apostolic family embrace several groups, the two significant ones
having origin in the Germany wing of the movement associated with Edward
Irving in the 19th century. The total attendance is about 8,000 in 106
centres, 61 of these in Queensland These groups are of considerable
interest as anticipating aspects of the 20th century Pentecostal movement.
extract:
The story of the Catholic Apostolic Church formed in the 1830s is very
interesting. Although the original body has no regular public services now,
if we exclude the restoration dating from 1971, separate groups resulting
from the German and Dutch branches of the original church still exist and
are represented in Australia as the Apostolic Church of Queensland and the
New Apostolic Church. A 20th century Pentecostal body called the Apostolic
Church (Australia) is not to be confused with these.
extract :
This is proof that God, through His servants, is the Master Builder, and
prepares the stones to fit them in their grooves in the temple. The seed
sown by the Evangelist did not fall upon rock, but on good land. The proof
is that the seed sown sprouted. They stood in childlike faith, as one heart
and soul united with their Apostle throughout until this day. Souls were
also gathered in the Grandchester Mountains and these also became true
followers of the faith. From there on it has also spread to Hatton Vale,
and many members there also joined the Church. It now became necessary to
leave the farm at Grandchester and buy another at Hatton Vale, the farm on
which the Church and residence under the present Apostle stands.


Catholic Apostolic Church


religious community originating in England c.1831 and extending later to
Germany and the United States (1848). It was founded under the influence of
Edward Irving; its members are sometimes called Irvingites. Because of
their prophetic gifts, 12 apostles (including Henry Drummond) were in 1835
set aside as officers. They were expected to survive until the Second
Coming of Christ, but the last of them died in 1901. When the apostles
began to die, a schism took place in Germany over the appointing of
successors. This led to the formation (1863) of the New Apostolic Church,
the formal name of the present-day organization. An angel, or bishop,
presides over each congregation; he is assisted by pastors, teachers, and
others. Symbolism and mystery of worship characterize the elaborate
liturgy, which has borrowed much from the Roman Catholic Church, including
devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Much emphasis is given to the Second
Coming of Christ. The membership is about 8 million worldwide (1994).

http://www.united-apostolic.org/e/about/f_aboutUs.html
http://www.nac-philippines.org/
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01635a.htm


http://www.adherents.com/loc/loc_australia.html - Religion in Australia
Religions in Australia, 1996 Census
http://ministryblue.com/church.html
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/1997-98/98rn27.htm -
http://www.adherents.com/Na_31.html
http://www.mcauley.acu.edu.au/~yuri/ecc/index.html

Hope this is of some help

Michelle



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Albert Grulke [mailto:]
>Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 9:31 AM
>To: Lorrare Johnson
>Subject: Apostolic Church
>
>
>I have finally got to the stage of researching the role of religion in
>regards our Germanic ancestors of the 19th century. I am currently
>looking at the Apostolic Church in Queensland because it begins with
>'A".
>I am intrigued if not fascinated.
>The document that I have before me says there are 106 congregations of
>this church worldwide.
>61 are in Queensland, 39 in Germany or Holland or both and 6 in the
>Philippines.
>Beside the fact that there does not seem to be a branch of the church in
>the United States, I find it interesting that they did not branch out
>over the range to the Darling Downs and that there is no Apositic
>congregations in the southern states. Any comments anyone anywhere?
>
>I have a beautiful story about a settlement on the Binjour Plateau near
>Gayndah of a number of Apostolic brought out in 1908 to open up that
>area for settlement. Beyond that it seems also that there was no mass
>migration of Apostolic anywhere else. It seems that the Lockyer Valley
>Germans had come out here as free settlers of sort and were converted to
>Apostolic later. This I find amazing. It seems from what I am reading
>that Apostle Neimeyer came out as a young man all enthused about a
>mission venture and that he led the formation of the church in
>Queensland. If this is so, I am impressed because he must have been a
>very persuasive man. It appears that he persuaded some 3 or 400 hundred
>people in the lower Lockyer and lower Brisbane valleys within a
>relatively short period of about twenty years.
>What I find interesting in this is that 95% percent of the Germanic
>migrants to Queensland were either Lutheran or catholic. It appears from
>my research to date that 90% of those settling in the Lockyer valley
>were Lutheran.
>So I am intrigued that if these Lutherans were as staunch to their
>church as we are given to believe how could this one man persuade them
>to move so far in such a short time. Any comments anyone anywhere?
>
>The next thing that interest me but has little relationship to my study
>is that there was apparently an argument in the church in about 1970 and
>the splitter group New Apostolic Church not to be confused with
>Apostolic Church Australia or New Apositic Church International, was
>formed. I understand there is a congregation of this splitter group New
>Apostolic Church located in Nundah somewhere. Any clues anybody?
>
>I must point out that I am still researching this whole issue and may
>yet have more queries but this is a start.
>
>Albert Grulke In cold miserable dry Warburton near Melbourne.
>
>
>
>
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