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From: "Alan and Shirley Nitz" <>
Subject: Re: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. SalvationArmy.Presbyterian
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:05:58 +1000
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My Great Grandparents arrived on the Cesar Godeffroy in February 1866. I
don't know their religion at that time but in the July-September period of
the Queensland Government Gazette my Great Grandfather (Gottfried Nitz) who
was shown as a Minister of the Particular Baptist Denomination, residing at
Minden, was duly registered as a Minister of Religion and authorised to
celebrate marriages.
Later, in the Post Office Directory of 1892 a list of churches and ministers
appears for the town of Marburg., One entry is : Church of Christ,
Evangelist, G. Nitz.
At that time my Great Grandfather owned land between Marburg and Minden.

I have no idea of what caused the change of religions or whether the
Lutheran faith was ever followed by my Great Grandparents. Just another of
those mysteries still looking for an answer.

Alan Nitz.

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Di Randell
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: [SEQ-Germans] Lutherans. CofE. Joyful News. Salvation

Thank you for the responses to my recent query, showing my total lack of
map-reading skills.

They have opened up new leads for me that I am perusing.

Now I have another question:

It seems to me, from most people on this list, that their ancestors were
pretty strongly Lutheran, and stuck with this religion, at least for the
first or second generations.

My LENZ ancestors were on the Susanne Godeffroy which arrived in 1864.
A number of the other Germans on this voyage sought out Bethania and had
the usual squabbles of that time, about the Church and pastors, while that
generation of my ancestors didn't join that lot of Lutherans, and stayed in
Brisbane at Downfall Creek, now Chermside.

The marriage of their first child to my G G Grandparents was held at the
German Lutheran Mission Station, Nundah, in 1865, the year after their
arrival, and my G G Grandparents were witnesses: their daughter was not yet
"of age" and they would have had to give permission.

In 1884, 19 years later, when my G G Grandmother died, she was buried by
the Rites of the United Methodist religion. Fifteen years after her death,
her husband was buried with Lutheran Rites.

However, thereafter, most marriages and funerals for their descendants were
in every religion except Lutheran: Church of England, Presbyterian, Joyful
News Mission, Salvation Army.
The exceptions were: the daughter who married in 1865 kept being a Lutheran
and her children were christened as such and one of the girls did marry the
son of a Lutheran Minister, but this couple had no children.

My questions are:
..... was this pattern of not being strongly Lutheran an aberration for
those times, with German immigrants?
..... could they originally have been Jews and for whatever reason, went
along with the idea of being Lutherans?


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