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From: "James Gilleece" <>
Subject: Re: AUS-Tasmania-D Digest V00 #477
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:55:14 +1100


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From: garrywilson <>
To: <>
Date: Tuesday, 14 November 2000 1:05
Subject: Re: AUS-Tasmania-D Digest V00 #477


>Monissa
>
>Many thanks
>
>What is the web site your refer to? ( I may have missed it in the earlier
thread...)
>
>And yes you are right Mary Stewart arrived Sydney 11.8.1817 per Canada 4
and transfered 18.8.1817 to Hobart. The Canada had only women, but only 50
of those with 50 men were
>transferred to Tasmania on the Elizabeth Henrietta. I never realised that
direct transportation for women started only after 1820 or so. Tell me what
sort of women would have drawn
>the short straw to Tas? I guess I have always suspected the worst ones.
One of the shipping indents (the Tas version) for the Elizabeth Henriatta
has an entry in the comments column
>"Very ...." - an ink blot totally obliterates the second seemingly longer
word. I've even had the Tas Archive staff check the original but to no
avail.
>
>Mary is on the 1820 and 1821 musters but is stated as being deceased by
April 1824 on her daughter's baptism that I referred to in my earlier
message. But there is no record of her
>death or any marriage that I can find. It gets complicated when one of the
musters has the notation "married Sydney" on it .....??
>
>By the way her police record (no 13) is entirely blank suggesting she had
an unblemished if short life in Hobart (and possibly Port Dalrymple). Nearly
every other one I have seen is
>full of little misdemeanors. So maybe she was "very exemplary"? Or was it
just that the fellow she is supposed to have been with in 1820 at least -
Robert Smith according to Notorious
>Strumpets - but I can't find the confirming documentation myself ! - was he
the Robert Smith who was a police constable? That might explain no entries
LOL. There are about five or six
>Robert Smiths to chose from.
>
>and thanks for the reference to the book I'll check it - everything helps
because you see Mary Stewart is quite a puzzle.
>
>Regards
>
>Garry
>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: children of convicts
>> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:47:11 +1100
>> From: Monissa Whiteley <>
>> To:
>>
>> At 11:23 13/11/00 +1100, garrywilson wrote:
>> >Monissa
>> >
>> >Interesting reply
>> >
>> >But it kind of misses the mark I think
>> >
>> >The original query related to the "early 1800's"
>>
>> >The Queen's Orphanage in Hobart that you point us to did not start until
>> 1828 as far as I understand. And I have been informed (maybe
incorrectly)
>> that there was no orphanage prior
>> >to that.
>>
>> 1831 I think. Stiil asleep. That is early "early 1800s" for most people
<g>
>> I thought I covered the years beofre on the website but obviously I
missed
>> that. I remember writing about the earlier years & children in general
>> somewhere.
>>
>> But you're right. There wasn't an orphanage until the late 1820s (a
>> converted distillery at New Town) and I believe convict children were
kept
>> at the factory (which also wasnt built until late 1820s).
>>
>> Prior to that, orphan/desititute children were pretty much on their own.
>> Obviously, even more so in the colonies where they wouldn't have had
family
>> to support them. Convict woman's children, I really can't recall. I
*think*
>> they were kept where ever the women were but than I'm sure of that either
>> . Bearing in mind, you've only got a short period prior to that when
women
>> were being trasported to VDL (from about 1820). Which makes 1818 seem
odd.
>> Transfer from NSW?
>>
>> One book that might help, Poverty is not a crime : the development of
>> Social Services in Tasmania 1803-1900;
>> Author: Brown, Joan C. Date: 1972
>>
>> Now I'm going to have to find out :\
>>
>> Monissa
>>
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