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From: Garry A Wilson <>
Subject: [AUS-Tas] Re: Burgess and McGuire
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:47:19 +1100
References: <200301021900.h02J09Tw031508@lists2.rootsweb.com>

Irene and Geoff

Just to clarify -

Henry (not William) Burgess is in the Convict CDRom - I didn't mention this in my last e-mail as I presumed Geoff would have had these details knowing he was tried in 1824. Anyway the details are as follows:

9955
Henry Burgess
Arrival date 1/1/1824
Conduct record CON13/1 p261
Other records CON22/3 p44
Remarks: Tried Hobart dec 1824 & Jan 1825

For "arrival date" read trial date (as you have to with most, if not all, other colonial sentences recorded on the Convict CDRom - just another flaw in an otherwise useful resource).

Since Henry was christened Henry and he only used "William Henry" on rare occasions (I have only seen it in reference to his marriage - Geoff may have others) I'd be tending to think of him as just plain old Henry rather than "William Henry".

Good to know that William and Henry arrived together on the Henrietta Packet in 1817, being further evidence to support my analysis in my previous response to the enquiry, since I had deduced they would have arrived in 1817 or 1818.

Irene, what date in 1817? If as I suspect from the few possible sailings, they arrived in Hobart on the 20 July, then that would have been just four days after Edward Burgess, whom I postulated was another of William's sons, would have died. Untimely and unfortunate news to greet the new arrivals, assuming I am correct about Edward (especially if as I concluded, William had also lost his wife earlier in 1817).

As for George Menzies McGuire, who I mentioned yesterday appears in the 1819 muster as George Minges McGuire, well I forgot to add that he immediately follows Robert McGuire in that muster giving further weight to my contention that he too is part of the McGuire clan being a brother to Robert (and also to Mary Ann of the original enquiry)

Look forward to hearing any other details concerning these families. Irene would you be kind enough to copy me on any e-mails to Geoff.

Regards

Garry

>
> Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] William Henry BURGESS
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:13:47 +1100
> From: "Irene Schaffer" <>
> To:
>
> Dear Geoff,
>
> An interesting query Geoff. If your William Henry Burgess in 1824 was sent
> to Sarah Island, he was probably sentenced in Hobart. I have a similar one
> for the same date. A soldier and his wife tried for stealing sheep in Hobart
> in 1824 was sent to Sarah Island, they had a child baptized there in 1825.
> His sentence was published in the HTG, your man could also be in the HTG. I
> could not find a William Burgess/Burges on the Tasmanian Convict index for
> 1824.
>
> I do have a William Burgess and a Henry aged 19 arriving in Hobart from
> Sydney in 1817 on the "Henrietta Packet". William and Henry are listed in
> the 1819 Musters of free men in Hobart Town.
>
> A Henry Burgess had 100 acres in Kingsborough. (Lands Grants Hobart Town
> Police District between 1813-24)
> I also notice that there is a George Menzies McGuire on this list that I did
> from an old map some years ago.
> If you would like to email me off line I can give you the references and
> discuss some other interesting things about this man. Too much to put in an
> email.
> Anyone else interested please feel free to contact me.
>
> Irene Schaffer
> Hobart
>
> > Greetings to all, and a happy new year,
> > I am researching William Henry BURGESS, born about 1799 (somewhere,
> probably
> > England)and living at Sandy Bay with his wife Mary Ann (Maguire). They
> were
> > married in 1820 in Hobart, and had three children between 1821 and 1824.
> > About 1824 he appears to have done something really naughty, as he was
> > sentenced to death for his crime -- the sentence was commuted to life
> > imprisonment at Sarah Island. There he appears to have been a 'model
> > prisoner' as his wife was allowed to stay with him for an undetermined
> > period. He was released into her care in 1831 (after seven years, which
> > sounds remarkably like transportation, but how could this be if they were
> > already living at Sandy Bay?), after which they promptly had another two
> > children. Any information about this chap, what crime he was convicted of,
> > when the trial was, etc would be of great assistance.
> > ___________________________
> > Cheers,
> > Geoff Humble
> >

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