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From: Peter Brown <>
Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] re Riseley
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:55:47 +1100
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Hooray!!!! Liz has given me the marriage and date (here) of Thomas Cookson
Simpson and Catherine Taylor (nee Riseley). Wonderful!! I borrowed
Knopwood's diary twice during the time I was looking for that too!
Thank you so much. One thing off the list!
Catherine died after producing a son and daughter and TC Simpson married
Margaret Abbott, daughter of Edward Abbott Esq.
Then TC died aged only 42 after going in too deep financially (possible
suicide).
The eldest son drowned in the Tamar aged 21.His father's will endowed the
property Newham Park, on the Macquarie, to him on his 22nd. birthday!!!!
Then the estate was acquired by my gr gr grandfather Robert Thirkell who
also came on the Caroline but is not listed, being brought from Durham by TC
Simpson as his overseer.
Then the younger son of Catherine Taylor/Simpson (nee Riseley) George Owen
Taylor, married his stepmother and although he and his brother were endowed
parcels of the estate (1000 acres each) they mortgaged it to Robert Thirkell
who acquired it.
All very strange! Quite a story and bits left out, like how Robert Thirkell,
having been convicted here for stealing a cowhide, then managed to become a
"gentleman" and large landowner in such a short time.
And the sad demise of TC Simpson and Catherine Taylor (nee Riseley).
I feel that the Mrs. Riseley on the Caroline was perhaps the mother rather
than the sister but there seems no proof either way.

Helen Brown


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Penprase" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] re Riseley


>
> > Just to say thanks very much to everyone who sent me information on the
> Riseleys it was a real help they are all my ancestors, but still a bit
stuck
> on the Mrs Riseley that came out on the Ship the Caroline in 1820. Thought
> it was my 4th great grandmother but I am now wondering if it is my 3rd
great
> grandmother Sophia as her husband John Riseley came to Tasmania on the
Ship
> the Harriet and there is no mention of him bringing his wife John and
Sopia
> were married in England on the 2nd Sept 1816
> >
> >
Regards
> Marilyn
>
> Hi there Marilyn,
>
> On reading Knopwoods Diary it would appear that John Riseley arrived in
VDL
> in March 1819 without a wife. Knopwood makes several mentions of John
> Riseley in the timeframe of May 1819 to November 1820, either dining with
> him, staying at "Orielton" with him etc - no mention of a wife.
>
> Knopwood's entry for Tuesday 28th November 1820 gives us a list of the
> passengers disembarking from the "Caroline", E Lord Esq, Miss Caroline
Lord,
> Mr and Mrs Simpson, Mr & Mrs Margetts, Mr Talbot, Mrs Williamson,
> Cartwright, Eldridge, Mrs Riseley, Miss Stagg, Miss Saunderson, Master and
> Miss Piper.
>
> Wednesday 29th November Knopwood makes mention of Mr and Mrs Riseley also
> Mrs Simonds (Simpson?) alias Mrs Taylor who married on board the
"Caroline".
>
> Thursday 30th November 1820
> "I breakfasted with Mr and Mrs Lord; Mr and Mrs Riseley, and Miss Lord
> there. After breakfast I married Mrs Taylor (John Riseley's sister
> Catherine) to Mr Simonds....."
>
> Mary Nichols who edited Knopwood's Diary recognises Mrs Riseley as being
Mrs
> Sophia Riseley.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Liz Penprase
> Sydney
>
>
>
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