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From: Hayley <>
Subject: Re: [AUS-Tas] Thomas Johnson and Dolly Dalrymple
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:20:23 +1000
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Hi Kesa, Frances, Maureen, Malcolm, Ray, Annette, Gaylene, Ruth, Lorraine,
and anyone else I have missed,
Thank you all for the information you have given me. A lot of it has been
very helpful, especially when comparing pieces of information from different
people. Unfortunately, I'm still not certain of Henry Johnson's parents. I'm
going to have to go have a thorough search at the library. Malcolm, I think
you summed most of it up in your email, but here are the facts again:
Henry Johnson married Sarah Ann Burgess (b.18 Feb 1860, d. 4 Mar 1926) on
17th August, 1877 at Brady's Plains, Deloraine, Tasmania.
They had 15 children, one of which was my great, great grandmother Sarah
Johnson. They were all born in the Sassafras area.
Henry died 6th December, 1941, and was buried on 8th Dec at Ulverstone
General Cemetery.
There are several possibilities of who his parents could be:
William Johnson & Ann Dyke
William Henry Johnson & Jane Wilkins
Thomas Johnson & Dalrymple Mountgarret Briggs
Henry Johnston/Johnson & Mary Welsh/Welch
Thomas Johnson & Mary Gee
Most people seem to be telling me it is Thomas & Dalrymple, or Henry & Mary.
Some people have told me, however, that they have all of Thomas's children's
names, and there is no Henry. Henry & Mary, on the other hand, only had a
daughter named Lucy in 1855, under the name of Johnson, whom died as an
infant, and a son Henry, under the name of Johnstone, born in 1856. I think
this is highly likely. I apologise for the fact that I haven't researched
this much at the library, as I rarely get time to visit, however I'm going
to have to make time to search through some notices in the newspapers, and
maybe do a bit of walking around cemeteries!
I'm sorry to have ruined anyone's family tree, if they were sure they had
the correct details... please check to see if you have the proof behind the
names and dates.
Thankyou everyone,
Hayley Poynton
Tasmania
On 5/3/05, Malcolm Ward <> wrote:
>
> Hi Haley
>
> Quite a few queries there. It looks like you haven't much "hardcopy"
> information about Henry & co, merely what third party sources have passed
> on.
> We need to build up on the facts which I don't have but can use some
> indexes -
> *secondary* sources - to see what's possible.
>
> First. Henry Johnson married Sarah Ann Burgess you seem sure about.
> Tasmanian
> Pioneers Index says that this occurred 17/7/1877 with him 21, she 17
> occurring
> at Deloraine (note: registration district, not necessarily the town).
> Reference
> RGD 37 61/1877; you can check the microfilms of the event using this
> reference
> to see if the CD and my reading of it is correct. *Assuming* it is, it
> implies
> that Henry was born 1856 +/-.
>
> Now, checking for births of ALL Henry Johnson s born 1804-1899 we get 45
> results. None in 1856. Two in 1857. One with father's name William &
> mothers
> name Ann Dyke in Oatlands & the other father William Henry and mother Jane
>
> Wilkins in Launceston. On the other side of 1856 we have one with father
> Thomas, mother Mary Gee, occurring at Westbury. If you have absolutely no
> other
> solid leads, all of these are possibilities *assuming* the age at marriage
> was
> correct.
>
> What if Thomas and Dalrymple were the parents? Searching for John* born to
> father Thomas and mother Dal*, we find 9 children in the index 1834 - 1854
> born
> Longford, Launceston & Port Sorell, but no Henry - although there is a
> "name not
> recorded" born 3/1/1852, registered at Port Sorell. I guess there are
> other
> name permutations as well which might be checked. 1852 and 1856 are sort
> of
> "close" but you would be helped if you could get some other info that
> would put
> Henry's birth nearer 1852 than 1856 if this is the birth of your Henry.
> Church
> registers would be your next place to look (after the microfilms of the
> events
> I've extracted off the index CD) for a baptism of hopefully "Henry" soon
> after
> 1852.
>
> Searching on John* with father Henry & mother Mary Welsh, only 2 entries.
> One
> for Henry born 1856 at Franklin, the other for Lucy born 1855 in Hobart.
> Interesting!
>
> So - if age at marriage is more likely, parents could be Henry & Ann,
> living
> then near Franklin. But id Thomas & Dalrymple thought to be parents, then
> birth
> "un-named" in 1852 looks more likely. Or perhaps the "real" Henry's birth
> doesn't appear on the index.
>
> You may need to spend some time at a library or major gene centre and
> trawl
> through the Tasmanian Pioneers Index as I have done; then, hopefully at
> the same
> place, check the microfilms for the original docs that the index is
> sourced
> from. For locations of the films, see
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/resource/bdms.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eaustashs/resource/bdms.htm>;
>
> Note that this isn't exhaustive - other places around Australia and even
> overseas may have.
>
> Hopefully also some-one else on the List will have some brighter ideas!
>
> Ps certainly no problem from my point of view moving around Launceston /
> Port
> Sorell / Longford, esp over 20 years. Moving back & forth between there &
> Franklin in the south less likely, but not impossible.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malcolm Ward
> Hobart, Tas
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hayley [mailto:]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 9:08 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: [AUS-Tas] Thomas Johnson and Dolly Dalrymple
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > I have been told by a few sources that my Henry Johnson (married to
> Sarah
> > Ann Burgess) is the son of Thomas Johnson and Dalrymple Mountgarret
> BRIGGS,
> > better known as "Dolly Dalrymple". Unfortunately, although this may be
> true,
> > I am still a little dubious, as I haven't any proof. Some have also said
> his
> > parents are Henry Johnson and Mary Welsh/Welch, or his father is William
> > Johnson.
> >
> > Some information just given to me regarding Thomas and Dolly indicated
> that
> > Henry, the last born child, was born in Huon, whereas his siblings were
> born
> > in the following order: 2 in Longford, 1 in Perth, then 2 or 3 in the
> Port
> > Sorell district, 1 back at Longford, 1 in Launceston, then the last 3
> before
> > Henry's birth were born in the Port Sorell district also. Does this seem
> > strange? Why did they move around so much?
> >
> > Thomas also died in Port Sorell, which brings in to question the
> birthplace
> > of Henry. It seems that Thomas probably would have lived in the Port
> Sorell
> > district after the last 3 births there, as opposed to moving to Huon?
> Maybe
> > they were on holiday???
> >
> > The birth years for the Johnson children range from 1836 to 1856.
> >
> > Does anyone have proof, such as certificates, of the link between Henry
> and
> > his father? And can anyone explain why they moved around so much? Is
> anyone
> > else connected with the family?
> >
> > Confused, but not giving up!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hayley Poynton
> >
> >
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