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From: "harbeck.steiger" <>
Subject: Re: [AVG] Cemetery/ MI Lookup Help Wanted
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:15:04 +0100
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Hi Rosemary,

Can't help with MIs or Cem look-up but they look terribly scottish to me.

Do you have any certs at all?

Walt GARDNER m Jane ROBERTS 1853 #31748, Christ Church of St. Kilda. Even
though it's a church doc it should have parents name and place of birth on
it.

So very often than not death info is unreliable. You're better with
info that was given while they were alive.

If the marriage cert does not have the right info which sometimes happens,
the first birth after 1855 is often a winner. So possibly Margaret's birth
cert 1855, #10234 would have where the parents were born and where they
arrived in Australia.

I mentioned they looked very scottish. Jane Roberts used Wylie which I
would suggest is most probably her mother's mother's name. ie Jane was
named after her maternal grandmother suggesting that she was the first girl
born to her parents.

My Pioneer recs have -

Sophia Neilson ROBERTS, d 1874, 69y, born Edinburgh, to Geo NEILSON and Jane
WYLIE

The LDS site has -

Sophia NEILSON m James ROBERTS 7 Jun 1832 Edin Parish. Sophia b 11 Oct 1804
to above parents.

Couldn't find any children in SCT, but three in Melbourne-
Thomas A, 1840 #V184010547 Campbellfield Pres
Sophia 1842,#1842215047 Campbellfield Pres
Marg't Nielson, 1846 #8016 Coll, Melb Pres

and deaths-

Marg't Nielson d 1874 (26) Coll
Wm Frazer d 1876 (38) born Edin
Sophia (MILLAR) d 1927 (84) Melb S
Jas Neilson d 1899 (62) Cham

Tried to find their entry to AUS which is before 1840 but to no avail on the
VIC PRO or State Recs NSW sites, crosses my mind that SA could be a
possibility. Not there either.

I have reference in a book to a Jas Roberts ship's carpenter/wright. If
they do turn out to be yours - this might be of relevance.

My theory on the name WYLIE is just that - a theory - I think you need more
info from the marriage and/or birth certs.

Good hunting!

Kim Harbeck Steiger
Rheinfelden, Switzerland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemary Martin" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:18 PM
Subject: [AVG] Cemetery/ MI Lookup Help Wanted


> Hello Listers
>
> My first message to this List is a request for help to anyone who has
> access to indexes for Cemeteries anywhere around Loch. (Poowong, Nyora?)
> I'm looking for a burial of Jane Wylie GARDNER between 1883-1913. Please
> excuse this long explanation.
>
> I have searched every resource available to me to find the death/burial
> of Jane Wylie GARDNER (nee ROBERTS). She does not seem to be on the Vic.
> Deaths Index (yes, I've tried looking for Jane WYLIE & Jane ROBERTS).
> The family did live for many years in St Kilda but I have not been able
> to find a burial for her around Melbourne. Her last child was born in St
> Kilda in 1870. The last St Kilda address I have for her husband Walter
> GARDNER is in an 1883 Directory.
>
> He is listed in the Vic Electoral Roll 1899 as GARDNER, Walter,
> Residence Loch, Carpenter. My one hope at present is that Jane may have
> died & been buried somewhere near Loch. Walter died in St Kilda in 1913
> when he was living with daughter & son-in-law & he is buried in St Kilda
> Cemetery, but Jane is not buried there.
>
> One of Jane's daughters was living in Loch or Poowong from at least
> 1892. Jane's grand-daughter Edith Beatrice Rosabel ELLINGWORTH was born
> 1892 in Poowong; Jane's daughter Lucy ELLINGWORTH died in Loch in 1909 &
> Jane's grandson John Walter ELLINGWORTH died in Loch in 1926.
>
> A Death Certificate is my only way of discovering Jane's parents &
> ancestry.
>
> Many thanks in hope
>
> Rosemary
> in Western Australia
>


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