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From: "Ken Jacobs" <>
Subject: Re: White Star: Clipper and Shipping Line
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:51:52 +1000
References: <F102wIWEBmjdhfoaqY70001ed0d@hotmail.com>


Sorry to have caused so much angst over my enquiry about the "SS White
Star"! However despite the fact that Iam very much a landlubber I have
enjoyed all of the communications on the subject and as they say you can
learn something everyday!

Cheers

Ken Jacobs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Woolman" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: White Star: Clipper and Shipping Line


> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been tempted to get myself a new hotmail account and List membership
in
> a female name, just so this thread doesn't get labelled as a 'shedfest'.
We
> blokes love our transport facts.
>
> My poor old 1951 Oxford, fourth edition, in the abbreviations at the back,
> says everyone's right. "S.S. screw steamer; (also s.s.)steamship." I
don't
> want to know whether that means that people were using 'S.S.' for both
screw
> steamer and steamship, but it certainly means that they were using 's.s.'
> for steamship.
>
> I also notice that in the souvenirs we have of my grandmother's emigration
> in 1912 on the "Orvieto", it's referred to as R.M.S. Orvieto, The above
> dictionary says that was for "Royal Mail Steamer". I understand that the
> voyages of these ships were promoted as "A Voyage with the Mails".... some
> comfort I suppose as the mails brought comfort... usually.
>
> On another genealogical [non-nautical]tack, I was surprised to find
> recently, in the Oxford Etymological Dictionary, 1966, that the origin of
> "genuine" is genuinus [Latin], to genu [French] meaning 'knee'. The
original
> reference was to the recognition of a new-born child by a father placing
it
> on his knees. "A genunine child of mine".
>
> I know that not all my ancestors found themselves in that position. As a
> legitimate descendant of someone who was probably my great great
grandfather
> wrote to me "Well, he was always thought of as rather a romantic soul". I
> won't repeat how another list correspondent described one of hers.
>
> Anyone for DNA testing?? Family History is much safer than Genealogy, on
the
> Central Goldfields and anywhere else, no?
>
> Tom
>
>
> >From: "Robert Cunning" <>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: White Star: Clipper and Shipping Line
> >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:50:02 +1000
> >
> >
> >Hello John, I spent 18 years in shipping and never heard of the term
"screw
> >steamer" for SS. It was always "Steamship" Both Oxford Concise and
Collins
> >Concise Dictionary give the meaning as "Steamship"
> >
> >I have nrver heard of TSS and cannot find a reference for it, but
certainly
> >TSMV stands for "Twin Screw Motor Vessel."
> >
> >Cheers, Bob in Melbourne.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Leahy" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: White Star: Clipper and Shipping Line
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ron PHILLIPS <>
> > > > Incidentally if I may suggest you need to change your dictionary!
> >Whilst
> > > > Webster's may have defined SS as Super Swift etc etc I can assure
you
> >in
> > > > Marine Shipping that has never been the case. SS=Steam Ship,
MV=Motor
> > > Vessel
> > > > (Diesel to the Land lubbers>
> > > > . My
> > > > contribution to the discussion has come from over 30 years in Marine
> > > > Insurance and an accumulation of bits of knowledge on shipping lore
> > > gleaned
> > > > from that experience but I hasten to say I am certainly ready to be
> > > > corrected on the matter of the White Star but I'll fight you for the
> > > > definition of SS (funny I always though it stood for Silly
Sausage!).
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ron Phillips
> > > > =====================================================
> > >
> > > > Dear Ron,
> > > I think your words above are fighting words
and
> > > will lead you into a scrap
> > > whether it was said on April Fooll's Day or not. It may well have
> >been
> > > acceptable in the
> > > Insurance Industry but I can assure you SS does NOT mean Steam Ship
or
> >any
> > > of the definitions used above.
> > > SS = SCREW STEAMER ie, a vessel having only one screw propeller and
> >steam
> > > engines.
> > > PS = Paddle Steamer
> > > TSS = Twin Screw Steamer
> > > MV = Motor Vessel ( Diesel Powered)
> > > etc etc etc There are a number of abbreviations for other types of
> >ships
> > > but the one that may require you needing a
> > > referee is SS = SCREW STEAMER.
> > > Ron I do admit that SS has been corrupted
into
> > > 'Steam Ship' over many years of use but the fact remains
> > > the correct definition is Screw Steamer.
> > > Best of luck in your bout of fisticuffs.
> > > Go Kindly
> > > Johno in Coffs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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