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From: "Noeleen Lloyd" <>
Subject: Re: [AVNE] rumour advice needed
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:05:35 +1100
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Jackie

have you actually contacted Berry St? I work for this organisation and I
know that there is a large fireproof room at the East Melbourne (No.1 Berry
St) that contains all the adoption records. I do not know what year they go
back to though.

The Organisation in now known as Berry St Victoria Ph: 03 94299266

Noeleen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leona Smithurst" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AVNE] rumour advice needed


> Hello Jackie,
> I've just read your posting, and am puzzled by certiain things, and,
perhaps
> there aren't any answers.
>
> Do you happen to know if Joan GRANT was legally adopted? Because if so,
her
> name would surely have been changed to whatever her adoptive parent/s
wanted
> to call her.
> I surprised you have a copy of the original birth certificate, this is a
> "closed" document when an adoption occurs.
>
> There possibly isn't any link with the GRANTs and the GOLDSWORTHYs, babies
> were shifted around quite a lot, I mean if a babe born in the country and
> was to be adopted, and the birth Mother was known in the town of babe's
> birth, then more than likely the babe would be sent right out of the area.
> Or if babe born in Melbourne, quite often it was adopted to parents from
the
> country.
> (From memory, the GOLDSWORTHY's were quite influential people in Victoria
at
> one time).
>
> If there was a name change by deedpoll, this is a legal happening, so
there
> would be records 'somewhere' but if it was anything to do with an adoption
> again the records would be closed.
>
> I think there have been lots of changes made regarding "access to
original
> birth records, by adult adoptees" since the Law change in Victoria, about
> 1985.
> Have you made any contact to V.A.N.I.S.H.? (I think this stands for
> Victoria Adopted Natural Information Self Help)
> I've just rung Telstra and the phone number for this group is (03) 9348
> 2111, the last time I had any dealings with them, (quite a few years ago
> now) they were situated in Carlton. No doubt a phone call to them would
> give you some info.
> Let me know how you go, hm?
> From Leona (ex Melbourne) in Toowoomba
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2001 20:13
> Subject: [AVNE] rumour advice needed
>
>
> > Hi Listers,
> > Sorry for the cross posting to lists and for those not in Victoria...but
> > I'm trying to find out how to solve a puzzle and I'm asking everyone.
> >
> > Basically I NEED to know my true roots. Who were really my
grandparents?
> >
> > Joan GRANT was born 31 July 1928 at the Royal Women's Hospital in
Carlton,
> > Melbourne.
> > According to the birth certificate (of which I have a copy of the
> original)
> > it says her mother was:
> > Elsie Vera Winifred GRANT, age 22, address Frankston VIC....father: not
> stated.
> >
> > On 9 August 1928, Joan was admitted to Berry Street Inc. (then known as
> the
> > Foundling Hospital).
> >
> > On 9 February 1929, Elsie was discharged from Berry St. Inc.
> >
> > Joan was adopted on 2 April 1929 by Harriet Kate GOLDSWORTHY.
> >
> > Harriet was the first wife of James Bickford GOLDSWORTHY of
Tallandowring
> > via Wodonga.
> > James Bickford isn't mentioned at all on the adoption paperwork from
Berry
> > St. Inc.
> >
> > THE RUMOUR IS........
> > Bickford (as he was known) was supposed to really be Joan's Grandfather.
> >
> > I can't see a link between GRANT's of Frankston and GOLDSWORTHY's from
up
> > near Albury/Wodonga.
> >
> > I've asked all living rellies, even very distant ones I hadn't heard
> > of. They all knew Joan was adopted but only a few knew of the rumour
but
> > can't help me with a solution.
> >
> > If the rumour was "the people she thought of as her parents were really
> her
> > grandparents" it would be easy. I could search just the children of
> > Harriet and Bickford. But the rumour for 70 years has only centred
around
> > Bickford.
> >
> > I can't find any illigetimate kids to Harriet or Bickford.
> > I've checked their brother's and sister's families with no luck either.
> >
> > I've tried to obtain information of Joan's name change by deedpoll in
> 1947,
> > but the records apparently don't exist anymore (as far as the solicitors
> say).
> >
> > I don't know where to look next. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Jackie
> > QLD
> >
> >
>
>

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