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Subject: [AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN] Re: ZELMANOVICS and KATZ from MARAMAROS
Date: 13 Nov 2002 12:36:27 -0700


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Chust, Huszt, Khust, Guste, X y C T (Cyrillic) is located 360 miles (580 kms) WSW of Kiev (E), K | | B (Cyrillic) in the Ukraine.
Csománfalva (H) was formerly located in Máramaros megye (county) and is now located in the Ukraine.
It is now called Cumaleve (Ukrainian) and Comal'ovo (Carpatho-Rusyn)

The area of today's Karpatho-Ukraine was part of the Kingdom of Hungary from the 10th century to 1919, and formed the counties, comitatus in Latin, which was the legal language of administration until 1844, Komitat or Gespannschaft in German, Megye in Magyar), of Ung,(capital Ungvár), Bereg (Beregszasz), U-gocsa (Nagy-Szállos), and Máramaros (Marmaros-Szighet).
They did not form a special administrative area during Hungarian rule.

After peace treaty (1920) the newly formed country of Czechoslovakia was formed from Bohemia, Moravia, and Austrian-Silesia and Slovakia and Karpatho-Ukraine.

The larger part, with an area of 12,600 km or 5,400 sq. miles, was annexed by the newly created Czechoslovak Republic, or CSR, a smaller part of Marmaros Komitat by Romania.
Both countries gave cities and villages new official names.

The parts taken by the CSR were organized into the province of
Podkarpatska Rus, divided into four Z^upy (Uz^horod, Mukac^evo, Berehovo, Marmaros^) whose boundaries followed roughly the old Komitat boundaries.The county capitals were Uz^horod, (Ungvár), Berehova, (Beregszasz), Mukac^evo (Munkács, German Munkatsch), while the new capital of Czech Marmaros was Chust (Huszt), since Máramarossziget was now the capital of Rumanian Marmaros under the name of Sighetul Marmariei.
The area had been promised autonomy in 1919, and finally
received it in October 1938 in the wake of the Munich agreement.
However, the Southern strip, populated mainly by Magyars (ethnic Hungarians), was returned to Hungary, which annexed the remainder of the area in March 1939.

For genealogists, the boundary changes, especially when dividing of a village from its county capital, where many records were collected, presents great challenges.

As a result of Munich Pact in 1938, Germany annexed large parts of Bohemia, Moravia, and all of Silesia.

In 1939, Hungary forcibily annexed Subcarpathian Rus' (then part of Czechoslovakia.

In 1945, Czechoslovakia was restored back to its pre-Munich borders, less Subcarpathian Rus' which the Soviet Union kept.
(The Allies stripped Hungary of all its post-Munich acquisitions and returned the country to its Trianon (1920) boundaries)
The Karpatho-Ukraine was annexed in June 1945 by the Soviet Union.
Since 1991, it is part of the independent Republic Ukraine.

Before WW I, a Hungarian passport would have been written in
Hungarian and French.
What was the passport title printed in middle of Page 1 ?

U'TLEVEL - PASSEPORT

Given name Gizella (H) Gisle,Giselle (E) Gisela (G)
but not Grace ?
Expect Katz and Meyer were both Jewish surnames.
Schlemer is a German surname from Germany.
Zelmanovics is a Hungarian spelling of a Slavic surname,
probably spelled Zelmanovic^ (Zelemanovich)
The Nathan who entered the U.S. via Ellis Island in 1904 is
listed as being Polish ethnicity.
He went to his brother's (Max Zelemanovits) address in Cleveland, OH.
Very confusing ?
And what was his religion ?

What might he have said ?

How are you ? English

Wie geht es Ihnen ? German

Hogy Van ? Hungarian

Ako sa más^ ? Slovak

Jak se máte ? Czech

Jak sie masz ? Polish

Kaip gyvenate ? Lithuanian

Kuidas läheb ? Estonian

Kako ste ? Croatian

Kà jums klàjas ? Latvian

R K C || P A B |/| ? Ukrainian (Cyrillic)
(yah k s p r á v ee )



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