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From: "William F. Baldwin" <>
Subject: Re: [BALDWIN-L] William, Elias, Thomas Baldwin of Pa>Ohio>Ind.
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:57:46 -0500


Melissa,

What a great E-mail message. You have really explained in great detail
the Baldwins living in Montgomery County, Indiana area. And thank you
for all the new information on the Elias Baldwin and Mary Crooks family
and Mary's sisters family Amy Crooks and William Baldwin. I have just
a few questions:

1/ Abraham Baldwin listed age 30<40 in 1850 Census of Montgomery
County. I am assuming you believe that is the Abraham Baldwin born
1798 (m) Mary E. Williams, your distant cousin Mary listed. This would
push his date of birth to between 1810-20.

2/ Jack Baldwin of Long Beach, Calif. has listed Absalom C. Baldwin's
marriage to Betsy (Hauk) Piatt, daughter of Benjamin Piatt and Mary
Wordell, rather than Elizabeth Abbott, which maybe understandable
because Absolom's siter Sarah married Philip Hauk. I was wondering if
this Betsy may have married Philip Hauk first before a possible
marriage with Absolom?

I have researched quite exstensively: Frank C. Baldwins work, "The
Baldwins From Virginia Westward", Charles Candee Baldwins Genealogy
Book, and Aubrey H. Baldwins work on Chester and Bucks County, Pa.
descendants. And so far I have not been able to connect your: Joseph,
Elias, William, and Thomas Baldwin to any of these works.

Bill Baldwin

"Melissa K. Parrish" wrote:
>
> Hi Bill and list members,
>
> Bill, thanks for giving me the info on Lucas and Jonas(h) Baldwin. I had
> guessed that they were related and I'm glad to know just how. I can't
> shake the feeling that this line of Baldwins is somehow connected to mine.
> So many of the ages, names, and places are similar. Maybe by posting the
> answer to your question about Elias Baldwin's children and some other
> Baldwin info again, someone will see something familiar. I'll apologize a
> head of time for it's length.
>
> Over the summer I found a treasure trove of Baldwin information when I
> visited my 1/2, fourth cousin, Mary, who lives in Howard County, Indiana.
> We both descend from Thomas Baldwin, brother of Elias Baldwin and William
> Baldwin; she through his first wife Susan Stull, and I through his second
> wife Nancy Ann Woods Moore. Even though we had never met before and we
> were fourth cousins, visiting her was amazing as she knew or knew of so
> many of the people and places that I had heard my grandmother mention long
> ago as Mary is much older than I. She still lives on land that Thomas
> bought when he moved to the Howard/Carroll Co., In area in 1845. She had
> much information on the Baldwin family, including some on Thomas' brothers,
> Elias and William. Unfortunately she did not site her sources, but from
> talking with her I know that she did research in Montgomery Co., Indiana,
> corresponded with many descendants of these people, and had her mother tell
> her what she knew of the family. On her family group sheet for Elias and
> Mary Crooks Baldwin she has 12 children listed with a question mark beside
> the 13th. She knew there were thirteen children in this family from a
> newspaper article that she found and copied. (A copy of which I have).
> This article was written in December of 1979, by a Blanche Hamm, but I do
> not know from which newspaper, but suspect it to be a Montgomery Co.,
> Indiana newspaper as the word Montgomery is typed in the upper left had
> corner of one of the pages. The article is titled "Multi-millionaire has
> Wayne Township roots" and is about the famous millionaire, Elias Jackson
> "Lucky" Baldwin. (Wayne township is a twp. in Montgomery Co., Indiana
> where I have indeed found Thomas, Elias, and William's widow Amy Baldwin
> living invarious census records.) In the article Blanche Hamm states, "
> They (Elias and Mary) were the parents of thirteen children, nine sons and
> four daughters, according to the 1830-1840 census. Several of their
> children married in Ohio and came to Wayne Township in Montgomery County,
> Indiana, to make their homes." Of course this does not prove that all of
> these children were actually THEIR children as this family seems to have
> been very close. For example, in the 1840 census of Montgomery Co.,
> Indiana several of "my" Baldwins appear on page 181 in Wayne twp. First on
> the page is Amy Baldwin, age 50<60, with 2 older females living with her.
> My guess is that this is Amy Crooks Baldwin, widow of William Baldwin.
> Next entry is William Baldwin, age 30<40, with a wife and two small
> children. This is probably her son William. Line 20 on this page is an
> Abraham Baldwin, age 30<40, with a wife and one small female. This could
> either be a child of William and Amys' or Elias and Marys'. My cousin Mary
> has him listed on Elias' group sheet. Line 21 is Thomas Baldwin, age
> 50<60, wife and eight children; his and hers by previous marriages. This
> is my g-g-g-grandfather. Line 24 is Robert Cowan, whose wife Rachel was a
> known daughter of Elias and Mary Crooks Baldwin. Elias and Mary Crooks
> Baldwin werel ennumerated in Bulter Co., Ohio in 1830, and it is my theory
> that brothers William and then Thomas came to Montgomery Co., Ind. first,
> but some of Elias' children seemed to also have gone to Indiana before
> their father, and settled near their aunts, uncles, and cousins. Anyway
> the children that Mary has listed for Elias and Mary Baldwin are as
> follows:
> 1. Abraham P. Baldwin, born 1798, married Mary E. Williams in 1838 in
> Ohio, died 1848
> 2. Rev. William Alexander Crooks Baldwin, born 1802, married Elizabeth
> Nancy Miller in Butler Co., Ohio on April 24, 1824, died 1865. This is the
> father of "Lucky" Baldwin
> 3. Amy Baldwin, born May 12, 1806 in Ohio, married Henry Stonebraker on
> February 1828, died Jan. 16, 1871.
> 4. Thomas Baldwin, born 1807 in Ohio, married Anna Stonebreaker in 1827.
> 5. Sarah Baldwin, born Nov. 25, 1814 in Ohio, married Philip Hauk in Ohio
> in 1835, died 1880.
> 6. Rachel Baldwin, born March 28, 1816 in Ohio, married Robert Cowan in
> 1834, died 1907.
> 7. Absalom C. Baldwin, born March 5, 1818 in Ohio, married Elizabeth
> Abbott, May 12 1838 in Ohio, died 1885
> 8. Joseph M. Baldwin, born 1823 in Ohio, married Sarah Harper in
> Montgomery Co., Ind. in 1848
> 9. Elias Baldwin, born 1827 in Ohio, married Mary "Poly" Harlow in 1846.
> 10. Daniel Baldwin, born 1828 in Ohio, married 1846 to Susan Catherine
> Coble
> 11. John (Jack) Baldwin, born 1828, died 1874
> 12. Simeon E. Baldwin, born 1822 in OHio, married Mary A. Polly Haynes.
> THIS IS WRONG! Simeon was a son of Lucas Baldwin
> 13. ?
>
> Again, I must remind you that I do not know Mary's sources for this info.
> I do know the birthdate that you have for Absalom is wrong. The 1850
> Montgomery Co., IN census shows him to be 32 which supports the 1818
> birthdate Mary has. This same census shows son Elias to be 25 in 1850
> which indicates a birthdate 1825 or 26 instead of the 1827 Mary has listed.
> The before mentioned newspaper article on Lucky Baldwin talks of him
> visiting his aunts and uncles "who lived here: Sarah, wife of Philip Hauk;
> Rachel, wife of Robert Cowan; Amy, wife of Henry Stonebraker; his uncles,
> Absolum Baldwin and Elias Baldwin - all the kith and kin who lived here."
> This supports five of the listed children. According to Floyd Baldwin, who
> descends from Thomas Baldwin who married Anna Stonebreaker, Thomas moved on
> to Illinois. (however there is some evidence that this Thomas is a son of
> William Baldwin.) And some of the others may have moved or died before
> Lucky would have come back to visit.
>
> Well, hope this helps. If someone would like me to transcribe the article
> on Lucky Baldwin and post it to them or the list let me know. I'll post
> here a little bit of the info I have on the Baldwin brothers. Anyone
> wanting more info or having info please let me know.
>
> My g-g-g-grandfather, Thomas Baldwin seems to have at had at least three
> brothers: William Baldwin, born ?, Elias Baldwin, born ca. 1772 in
> Pennsylvania, and Joseph Baldwin, born ca. 1769 in possibly Penn. Thomas
> was born 1783 in Pennsylvania also.
>
> William Baldwin, married Amy Crooks, daughter of William Crooks and Amy
> Martin in 1805 in Butler Co., Ohio. William and Amy had four known
> children:
> 1. William, born ca. 1810, married Cyrena Dolton, February 1, 1834 in
> Montgomery Co., Indiana
> 2. Elias Baldwin, who married possibly Margaret Clevinger
> 3. Sarah (Sally) Baldwin, who married George Shanklin on Feb. 1, 1832 in
> Montgomery Co., Indiana
> 4. Margaret Jane Baldwin, born Jan. 27, 1824, married Capt. Thomas M.
> Kirkpatrick on April 1, 1841 in Montgomery Co., Indiana.
> The first three moved on to Illinois, while Margaret J. Baldwin Kirkpatrick
> settled in Howard Co., Indiana.
>
> Joseph Baldwin, married Sarah ?, died 1845 in Connersville Indiana. This
> family moved from Butler Co., Ohio to Fayette Co., Indiana. They had seven
> children:
> 1. Elias Clark Baldwin, born 1792 in Fayette Co., Pa, married Charlotte
> Davis in 1817 in Butler Co., Ohio, died 1842 in Fayette Co., Indiana.
> 2. Jane Baldwin, born April 29, 1794 in Fayette Co., Pa, married Henry
> Holland May 24,1814 in Butler Co., Ohio, died March 24, 1854 in Fayette
> Co., Indiana.
> 3. Ann Baldwin, born 1796 in Fayette Co., Pa, married John Burns Sept. 12,
> 1816 in Butler co., Ohio
> 4. Elizabeth Baldwin, born 1798 in Fayette co., Pa, married Elijah Holland
> Aug. 14, 1817 in Butler Co., Ohio
> 5. Mary Baldwin, born 1802 in Fayette Co., Pa, married William Cook Feb
> 17, 1824 in Butler Co., Ohio
> 6. Susan Baldwin, born 1805 in Fayette Co., Pa
> 7. Catherine Baldwin, born March 16, 1808, married Daniel Beaver Feb 5,
> 1824 in Butler Co., Ohio
>
> Elias Baldwin, born ca. 1772 in Fayette Co., Pennsylvania, married Mary
> Crooks, (sister to Amy) in 1800 in Kentucky, died Aug. 29, 1856 in
> Montgomery Co., Indiana. Their children: SEE ABOVE LIST
>
> Thomas Baldwin, born Sept., 23, 1783 in Pennsylvania, married (1) Susan
> Stull on Sept 12, 1810 in Butler Co., Ohio, (2) Nancy Ann Woods ca. 1838
> probably Montgomery Co., Indiana. Thomas died Feb. 19, 1854 in Carroll
> Co., Indiana.
> Children by Susan Stull:
> 1. Indiana Baldwin, born 1815 in Ohio, married (1) John Hart Nov 15, 1835
> in Montgomery Co., IND, (2) Daniel Adams, Oct. 7, 1847 in Huntington Co.,
> Indiana. Indiana died December 18, 1880 in Miami Co., Indiana.
> 2. Elizabeth Baldwin born ca. 1819, married (1) John Maze Jan. 19, 1837 in
> Montgomery Co., Ind. (2) Daniel Adams (her brother -in-law) after the death
> of her sister Indiana in 1880.
> 3. Silas S. Baldwin, born Jan. 18, 1822 in Butler Co., Ohio, married Susan
> French April 4, 1844 in Montgomery Co., IND., died March 9, 1898 in Warren
> Co., Indiana. I HAVE PICTURES OF SILAS AND SUSAN AND MOST OF THEIR
> CHILDREN
> 4. Henry Jasper Baldwin, born December, 1823 in Ohio, married Margaret Ann
> Widener 1854 in Cass Co., Indiana. Died Nov. 29, 1907 in Edgertown Kansas.
> Children by Nancy Ann Woods (who was first married to John Moore)
> 1. Margaret Catherine Baldwin, born Dec. 25, 1840 in Indiana, married
> unknown Boring
> 2. Rachel Ann Baldwin, born Jan. 22, 1843 in Indiana, married Jacob Ault
> in 1859, died April 2, 1873 in Tippecanoe Co., Indiana
> 3. Mary Ellen Baldwin, born June 1845, married unknown Hunter
> 4. Martha Melissa Baldwin, born July 18, 1847 in Cass Co., Indiana,
> married Allen Metcalf Feb. 6, 1867 in Cass Co., Indiana, died July 31,
> 1932. I HAVE PICTURES OF MARTHA MELISSA
>
> Melissa
>
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