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From: dreyer <>
Subject: [BANAT-L] Surname Dumelle and variations
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:42:47 -0800


Deborah;
I am not ready to pass judgement on the spelling Tunia but all the other
spellings you give are simple variations on Dumelle. Keep in mind that
the names were spelled phonetically and in German D and T are often
interchanged because they often sound so much alike. These spelling
variations will not cause problems for other Dumelle researchers because
they will make allowances for these variations.
I do not find the name listed in Staders Sammelwerk---of course, only
under D since the T section has not yet been published. Since, it is
not listed there I assume that the origin is not known. Where is the
evidence that they came from Alsace and how good is it? If there is
evidence that they came from Alsace why isn't the name in Staders book?
Normally, when researching a migration, transaltantic or Germany to the
Banat, one must have evidence to the town of origin in documents where
they settled. For the most part, Central Europe did not have censues to
the point where one can readily identify individuals(We are really
spoiled here in N America and England in this regard).
Of course, lacking some evidence of the origin of Dumelle in Banat
documents one must adopt other strategies.
The Alsace Immigration Index is a place to start. You should also run
the name through the Mormon name databases, the IGI and Ancesteral File
to see if it gives you other localities in Alsace associated with the
name. You should also check the name through all the surname indexes of
the Cercle Genealogique d'Alsace. These are extensive. One can also put
a query in the Cercle Genealogique d'Alsace asking about the origin of
your particular migrant. There are some very good researchers in
Alsace, some with large databases. There was a census in Alsace in
1871. This is on microfilm at the FHL and can be searched to find
localities associated with the name. It is not indexed. There were also
conscription lists which have surived for the Department of Bas Rhin.
These are also on microfilm at the FHL and can be searched. I gather
that Dumella and Strohoffer were married in Alsace, so you are really
looking for a ortschaft where these two surnames co-occur. I do not
find Strohoffer or other spelling varients in the Alsace Emigration
Index.
Since Alsace is one of the most completely microfilmed areas in
continential Europe---all available through your local FHC from Salt
Lake this is a solvable problem.
Dave Dreyer--also sometimes spelled Treyer
Deborah Kristmann wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I was looking at my geneology information . . . and I'm curious what
> some of you might think.
>
> The Glogowatz Heimatbuch list Anton Dumelle and Regina Serhoffer as
> early settlers in the town of Glogowatz in 1790. Information I had been
> left by a relative John Weber (born in Glogowatz, now deceased) is that
> Anton Dumelle and Regina Serhoffer are indeed the earliest relations he
> could trace (a priest provided the info). Here is what puzzles me, their
> are several variation for the name Dumelle; Tunia, Tomule, Dumele and
> maybe a few others.
>
> I expected when searching church records myself to see that shortly
> after settling in Glogowatz that the name changed from Tunia to Dumelle
> but, it seems more likely now that the name took on a few variants over
> many years til finally becoming Dumelle, as we know it today. When
> looking at Balthezar's birth record the spelling looked even more
> different to me; Antonio Tunia or Tuma and Regina Strohoffin listed as
> parents. Why all these different interpretations? Why did the name
> change? Are these people really Dumelle relations? How can I be sure
> when even church records seem unreliable? This confusion must be a huge
> contributing factor in limiting other Dumelle relations from searching
> they're relatives. And thus, connecting our families.
>
> Another funny thing, I just joined the Alsace Lorraine mailing list
> because I had heard these relatives namely, Anton and Regina Tunia or
> "Dumelle" had come from that area. I quiered the name Dumelle and it's
> variations to this group and someone was kind enough to have checked the
> Alsace Emigraiton Book. He found a Josef Dumel b. 1832, from Leimback
> (described as a "completely catholic community" with a passport dated
> Aug 20, 1853 for the states. I checked the white pages for this town and
> found four living Dumel's. What are the chances that these are
> relatives?
>
> Sorry, I'm rambling! Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Deborah Dumelle/Dumele/Tomule/Tunia?????? Kristmann?
>

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