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Subject: [BANAT-L] Re: Ship travel from the Batschka
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:27:48 EDT
Cathy,
Thanks for all the stories, info and sites below.
Will be trying all of them.
Judy
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> PASSENGER LISTS
> INDEX of Extractions of Banat Emmigrants
> US Customs & Immigration Passenger Ship Records
>
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~banatdata/
> DreyerShipListIndex.html (above and left all one line)
> webmaster
>
> or http://feefhs.org/banat/bspr/introd~1.html
> or http://iigs.rootsweb.com/immships/index1.html
>
> THE COMPASSS from the ISTG (Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild)
> http://istg.rootsweb.com/compass/begin.html
>
> Hamburg Emigration Lists / personal data of 5 million people
> who emigrated via Hamburg from 1850 to 1934. It will grow on
> a regular basis.
> http://www.hamburg.de/LinkToYourRoots/english/welcome.htm
>
> Cimorelli on-line - to locate the ship manifest
> you are looking for at......
> http://www.cimorelli.com/safe/shipmenu.htm
>
> Fiume was the Italian name for Rijeka, Croatia. It was the
> main seaport used by the old Kingdom of Hungary and is now in
> the Republic of Croatia. Both Fiume and Rijeka mean "river" in
> their respective languages.It is on the coast of the Adriatic
> Sea a little SE of Trieste, Italy. Being connected with the
> entire central Europe via a railroad to Zagreb, Rijeka has
> become one of the leading harbours on the Mediterranean sea.
> During the days of Hungarian sovereignty over this area, the
> gov't passed a requirement (about 1905 to 1914) that all persons
emigrating
> from their lands had to use this port. (Carpathia
> generally made the voyage to NYC in 10 days (give or take a day).
>
> The link to the Hungarian history web page that describes the
> law mandating emigration via Fiume on Cunard:
>
> http://www.iarelative.com/hung1903/
>
> But it must not have been enforced well, for many locals didn't
> know about it and were known to use other ports such as Trieste, Italy.
> see> http://www.appleby.net/rijekaframe.html
>
> One person said his great grandfather, of Palanka sailed out of
> Bremen, Germany to New York aboard the S.S. Karlsruhe, Jan. 1901. His
wife
> & 2 sons sailed out of Antwerp, Belgium aboard the S.S. Zeeland to New
York,
>
> Sept. 1901. His other great grandparents
> from Batsch (near Palanka) sailed out of Hamburg to Philadelphia
> in 1913. So, as you can see, the Donauschwaben took different
> routes, probablly based upon whichever was the cheapest
> route/port at the time.
>
>
> Cunard Lines - U.S.A. Executive Offices
> 6100 Blue Lagoon Drive; Suite 400; Miami, Florida 33126
> Tel. 1.305.463.3000 or 1.800.223.0764
> Fax 1.305.463.3010
>
> Below are some accounts of the trip I saved from member's posts ...
>
> Thanks to Fred Sprager's mother Eva Prunkl (?) for her memory
> of the trip ( she was 8) .......
>
> Travelers took the train from Banat to Beograd (now Belgrade,
> Yugo.), where they paid to be taken across the river (Danube?).
> Then they took another train to Zagreb (now Croatia) and on to
> Fiume (now Rijecka, Croatia) or Trieste, Italy. This took
> about 2 days.
>
> The crossing took about 21 days going to Europe and about ?
> days to go to USA. (I know it took 30 from Hamburg to NYC, so
> I imagine longer than that from Fiume)
>
> On board the women and young children stayed in a huge room
> where bunk beds were set up for them. Apparently, sometimes
> cattle were also shipped over in these large areas. The men
> had to bunk at the other end of the ship.
>
> They had to bring their own food, because the only food provided
> was pasta and buns with a mug of milk for the children daily.
> They brought smoked or dried meats that would keep, such as a
> ham or salami. Everyday they would slice some meat to the make
> sandwiches with the buns that were supplied. There was also a canteen
that
> sold buiscuits and some kind of candies and ?.
> A woman was remembered, who was very friendly (!) with the
> sailors. This lady worked hard to be attractive because she
> got all sorts of favors from the sailors such as extra food,
> pillows, etc. (Ferdinand J. Sprager)
> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> Hi, My grandmother came to N.Y in Dec, 1908 aboard the Cunard Caronia.
She
>
> had to go to Frankfort Germany for papers and then
> on to Fiume. The route was taken that way in order to avoid
> sailing in the treacherous North Atlantic during winter. I
> believe the Carpathia was another such ship. Since my Grand-
> mother was a woman traveling alone with 6 children she was
> given some sort of cabin even though she was considered a
> steerage passenger. My Dad, aged 11 recalled that all the
> passengers were given an orange on Christmas Day from the
> ship's owners. There was never much talk from my Dad as to the conditions
of
>
> the trip. He did say though that he was the only
> one not seasick and so he had to fetch and carry water etc. for
> the rest. I am plaesed to get any stories from people who made
> such treks to another land.
> Irene M Orlaska <>
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> My Grandpa came over in 1909 on the Ultonia from Fiume. He
> recalled two things at his young age of the journey. Along
> the Italian coast the locals would come out in small boats
> with fresh fruit. People would throw money overboard at
> them and they would haul up the fruit on ropes in baskets.
> Also, the ship apparantly docked off the coast near Mt.
> Vesuvius and the many of the men were able to disembark and
> go to get a better look at the volcano.
> Tom Schneider
>
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