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From: "Dave Dreyer" <>
Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Rekasch vs. Josefsdorf
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:27:37 -0800
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Craig;
Haven't hard from you for awhile. I'm glad to see that you are still hanging in there.
Anyway, as you are doubtless aware the Rekasch familybook is not in standard family book format. That is not a fatal problem but it makes picking out data a bit more complicated.
As I see it, the problem is that the authors left out a lot of data. There are no house numbers given nor are the godparents and witnesses listed. I like house numbers and find them very helpful at times(sepecially in organizing data in the Banat Military Frontier). I usually don't make use of the godparents and witnesses names but as you may noted from Richard Jaegers post several weeks ago on standards for family books they should be included and some people make use of them in difficult cases---particularly the authors of the books.
But my main objection is that often in the marriage entry the authors did not include the names of the parents.
Let's take some Wind entries in the book #1355 No 2. as an example.
This is a Josef Wind from D Zerne in 1864. I don't have the original entry in front of me but would point out that by 1864 it was customary in Banat KBs to list the parents names of the groom and bride. These are not given for the groom------they are for the bride but since she was born in Rekasch this was a slam-dunk---the authors could hardly do otherwise.
Similar comments apply to #1355 No 3 although matters are reversed. Since the groom, Nikolaus Wind, was born in Rekasch his parentage is given but the bride who comes from Temeswar are not------I am willing to bet you a beer that her parents names are given in the original records. If this had been the marriage of someone in Rekasch to a Katharina Schneider in Temeswar one would need to know the names of her parents from the Rekasch records because there are more than likely a number of Katharina Schneiders born in Temeswar in a limited time span and it would save a great deal of work if one knew the names of the parents right off without having to research every Katharina Schneider in a 5 year period born in Temeswar.
The Giseladorf family book suffers from these same shortcomings.
So far as I can determine the Rekasch authors have made very little use of family books of other localities to tie families together.
Let's take another example. This one is a Anton Stricker #1184 *1864. I have the Josefsdorf data in front of me. Anton Stricker *12 Jun 1864 son of Mathias Stricker and Anna Gruber was married in Josefsdorf(note that the parents names are given in the Josefsdorf records). When I go to the Rekasch family book I find the birth of Anton and and his parents in a family block---no problem-----but there is no indication of what happened to Anton----there is only the birth data given. When the Rekasch family book was written the Josefsdorf records up to 1899 were readily available---certainly a copy was in the AKdFF archvies, but the authors did not take the trouble to hunt out this kind of data and comb through the other resources in Sindelfingen. Of course, this is what makes the writing of family books so time consuming. Well written family books------for example Anton Kraemer's Perjamosch family book, not only made use of all other available family books to track the coming and going of inhabents but also involved a number of trips to the Temeswar archives to track people in records only available there------perhaps a call beyond normal duty---as well as taking special pains to trace the origins of Perjamosch settlers in Germany.
Having said all this, I am still grateful and I suspect that you are too, that we have the Rekasch family book such as it is.
Dave Dreyer


----- Original Message -----
From: Craig A. Windt
To: Dave Dreyer
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Rekasch vs. Josefsdorf


Hi Dave,



I am curious, what problems are there with the Rekasch Family Book? I have a copy of it and have of course used it as the source of much of my family information. I do know that for my great-grandfather's family, the book leaves off the last of his three siblings, born between 1903 and 1907. I thought that this was an isolated incident. Is this problems wide-spread? Thanks for your input.



Craig A. Windt




----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Dreyer <>
To: Banat List <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:34:45 AM
Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Rekasch vs. Josefsdorf

Eileen;
There is a kinda family book for Rekasch which covers the years 1740-2002
and which suffers from the same defects as the Giseladorf family book.
Josefsdorf is just down the road from Rekasch. From the founding of
Josefsdorf in 1882 to 1888 when the Josefsdorf church was completed
Josefsdorf records are found in Rekasch.
Dave Dreyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen & George" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: [BANAT-L] Rekasch vs. Josefsdorf


> While reviewing some old family letters I noticed that someone mentions
> being married in Rekasch. Yet, the marriage record is actually in
> Josefsdorf.
>
> Going to the village list, I see that my year of interest (1891) is not
> available in the filmed Rekasch records. The postal code for Rekasch is
> 1881
> and for Josefsdorf 1879 so they appear to be in close proximity. The
> Banat
> electronic map confirms this is the case.
>
> Is there some civil relationship for the records between these two
> villages?
> I appreciate any clarification.
>
> Eileen-Lund Johnson
> Minnesota
>
>
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