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From: "Doug Beezley" <>
Subject: RE: DNA Testing
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:56:31 -0700
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106104323.01ef8008@pop.telus.net>


I guess it just takes someone to get started. It can be a consensus, or one
person can just take the bull by the horns.

1. Decide which company to go with.
2. Set up a surname project (someone has to be the identified project
manager or whatever.)
3. Male Barnard to buy a kit and send it in with the first data.
4. Promote it among Barnards (or Bernards or whatever) to get more
participants.

I would have been happy to set up a project and be the manager if no one
else wants to, but my genes will do no good for this one. Want to be sure
some Barnard is ready to shell out and do the swab. It would be easier for
me to find one of my Barnard cousins to help out after the project is
started.

I'll tell you what I'd like to know about... my Barnard line has been known
as the 7 brothers line. Bruce Barnard, who I think is known to this list,
has been suggesting that the 7 brothers line is a myth. Of the supposed 7
sons of John Barnard (b 1720 or 1729 in England, spouse unknown) two have
fairly well established trees: John Barnard (b abt 1755 in England and
married to Anna Carr, then Sarah Bachman) and Jonathan Barnard (b 1760,
married to Obedience Barnett.)

It would be good to know that both of these lines are true and intact and
whether John and Jonathan are actually related. Then we could know if there
are any other of their brothers out there who might have sired a family.

Doug Beezley

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Barnard [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:34 PM
To:
Subject: RE: DNA Testing


Thank you for your response Doug. Familytreedna.com are also a company like
DNA Heritage that are primarily servicing genealogical research. I was not
aware of DNA Heritage and they certainly look to be very reasonable
compared to their competitors.

I for one would be interested in a BARNARD surname group and hope that
others on this list may be interested. My aim at the moment is to break two
brick walls. Firstly, I have been unable to find the birthplace in England
of my gt.gt.grandfather Thomas BARNARD who was born c.1790. He married in
Beccles, Suffolk, in 1821 and in the 1841 census both he and his wife
answered the question "Were you born in the county?" with "No". He died in
1849 unfortunately before the 1851 census which had changed the question to
"In which county were you born". That resulted in a 30 year search without
finding his birthplace. I did find a suitable Thomas entry in London which
gave the name of his parents and brother but cannot prove or disprove that
it is the entry I need. If I could find another descendant of that Thomas's
father or brother, a DNA test would do the job for me one way or the other.

Secondly, I believe that a younger son of my Thomas, William BARNARD by
name, may have left England after the 1851 census. I have found a possible
trace of him in the 1880 census, where all the names fit in the family
naming pattern.

Source Information: 1880 United States Census

Census Place: Grants Lick, Campbell, Kentucky

Family History Library Film: 1254407 NA Film Number: T9-0407 Page Number:
311B

Wm. BARNARD Self Male M W 48 ENG Occ:
Farmer Fa: ENG Mo: ENG
Emily BARNARD Wife Female M W 50 ENG Occ: Keeps
House Fa: ENG Mo: ENG
William BARNARD Son Male S W 15 OH Occ: Works On
Farm Fa: ENG Mo: ENG
Samuel BARNARD Son Male S W 12 KY Occ: Works On
Farm Fa: ENG Mo: ENG
Thos. BARNARD Son Male S W 9 KY Occ: At
Home Fa: ENG Mo: ENG
Sarah BARNARD Dau Female S W 6 KY Occ: At
Home Fa: ENG Mo: ENG

Thomas junior, born c1871 in Kentucky was later found in the 1910 census in
Randolph County, Missouri, with wife Mandal and two adopted children. He
was also found with his wife and (still only two) children in the 1920
census in Hidalgo County, Texas.
Because the only children of Thomas that are known were adopted, I would
like to find descendants of his other two brothers, William and Samuel. I
have been unable to trace either of them so far.

Incidentally, I settled in British Columbia, Canada, with my wife and
children in 1967 from England where I was born and raised.
Although very familiar with British records, I have much to learn about
U.S. records.

If anyone on this list can recognise possible ancestors here I would be
very happy to hear from them.

Alan

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