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From: The Sharps <>
Subject: [BATTLE] My BATTLE Family Line
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:09:09 +0000

Dear Group,

I have been collecting information on my BATTLE family and want to thank
those of you that have helped. I am enclosing my direct family line below.
Please let me know if you have any comments or questions regarding this

Bob Sharp
668 S. 7th St.
W. Dundee, Il 60118
(847) 428-7613

visit my web page at
The BATTLE Family Line

Robert M. Sharp is the 11th lineal descendant of John Battle of Nansemond
Co, VA. The lineage is through his Taylor, Thorn, Kinsey, and Sharp lines.

The Battle Family from the Earliest Times

It is speculated the Battle family descends from Walter DeBotteville
DeBetuile of Normandy. The source of this line is from the Battle Cry
presented in 1984 at the Battle Reunion in Dothan, AL. It was also
published in the 2nd Battle Book, "The Descendants of Mathew Battle England
to Virginia 1647 - A collection of Family records Genealogical and
Historical", by Lynwood Deal Jordan, SR who also published it for the Battle
reunion in 1984. This 2nd Battle Book pertains to Mathew's descendants and
mentions the first Battle Book, Lynwood's book was published in 1992. This
research actually came from the Genealogy of William Augustus Battle that
was presented at the University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa.

Some of this lineage is in dispute and some has been disproved. There is
currently no certifiable link between our Battles of America and the Battle
family in England. However, it is provided here because of it's interesting
link to the historical Battle of Hastings.

In September of 1066, Walter DeBotteville DeBetuile sailed across the
English Channel in heavy winds with William the Conqueror. They landed in
Prevense near Hastings, preparing for the conquest of England. Walter was
from a prominent family in Normandy. Their family residence was at
Bouteville in Canton of Sainte Mere Englise, Arrodisement de Valognes.
Members of the family were benefactors of the Abbey St. Sauveur. The family
held a fiefdom and Walter was supposedly a knight under William the
Conqueror (William I).

In the early morning of October 14, 1066, Walter DeBetuile was among the
warriors who answered the role call for battle against King Harold II.

The Battle of Hastings occurred on Senlac Hill near Hastings, England
October 14, 1066. The battle between King Harold II, the King of England
and William the Conqueror began at 9:00 am and lasted until 6:00 pm. Harold
II was killed in battle and William was the victor. Many of the men who
fought with William were rewarded with lands and titles in England.

The lineage of the first 16 generations of the Battle family can be found at
the Battle Pride Web Site:

· Sir Humphrey DeBattell son of Walter DeBetuile
· Thomas DeBattaile son of Sir Humphrey DeBattell.
· Sir Richard DeBattell son of Thomas DeBattaile: Sir Richard held Bataylee
Hall,Essex County, England in 1165.
· Robert Battell son of Sir Richard, Robert married Elizabeth Howe, daughter
of Edmund Howe.
· Sir Edmond Battell son of Robert Battell, Sir Edmond married Jane
Bassingborne, daughter of John Bassingborne. · Sir Geoffrey Battell son of
Sir Edmond Battell, Sir Geoffrey married Christian Torrell, daughter of John
Torrell of Torrell Hall.
· Sir William Battell son of Sir Geoffrey Battell.
· Sir John Battell son of Sir William Battell, Sir John married the daughter
of Sir Thomas Rockford. Sir John was styled as Johannes Battell de Aunger
(Ongar) Park, Essex County.
· Sir John Battell son of Sir John Battell, Sir John married Elizabeth
Ennefield, daughter of Sir Richard Ennefield.
· Sir Thomas Bataile son of Sir John Battell, Sir Thomas married Aliamore
Ondeby, daughter of Thomas Ondeby. Sir Thomas Bataile possessed the Manor of
Ongar Park, in 1420.
· John Battaile son of Sir Thomas Bataile.
· John Battaile son of John Battaile, John succeeded to Ongar Castle in
1473. · Richard Battaile son of John Battaile, Richard's will was signed
April 2, 1539.
· Wyll'm Battell son of Richard Battaile, Wyll'm married Cateryn Heman on
October 25, 1551 at the All Saints in Maidstone, England.
· William Battell son of Wyll'm Battell, William married Margaret Dukes,
license was obtained from London on June 16, 1601. Possible father of our
John Battle.

First Generation

1. John1 Battle, son of William Battell and Margaret Dukes, was born in
Yorkshire, England 1634. John died abt 1690 in Paspetank, Pasquotank River,
NC, Colonial America. His body was interred abt 1690 in Pasquotank River.

He married twice. He married Mary Rame in England, 30 Jul 1638. He
married Elizabeth ??.

John and his second wife, Elizabeth, along with his brother Matthew
immigrated to America in 1654. This immigration included neighbors the
Summers, Hunters, and Bakers, who settled on the west fork of the Nansemond
River in Virginia. John was granted a Royal Patent for 200 acres and
another 640 acres in North Carolina on the "Paspetank" or Pasquotank. In
1663 he received another grant on the Pasquotank for transporting 13 persons
into the area for settling, and in 1682 received 580 acres in Kill Mary
Swamp for transporting 12 persons into Nansemond Parish of Virginia.

>From Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents & Grants 1623-1666

John BATTELL (BATTLE), 200 acs. in the W. branch of Nansimum Rjv .,adj.
land of Thomas Babb. 14 Dec. 1654, p. 216. Trans. of 4 pers: John Battle,
Elizabeth Battle, Thomas Nowell, Robert Wolfe.

John BATTLE, 60 acs. on Wwd. side of Paspetanke River beg. on a point
which parts this & land of Mrs. Fortsen, running S. W. &c. 25 Sept.
1665, p. 94 (585) Trans of 13 per: John Garey, Ed. Maurice, Jno. Curtain,
Tho. Cooly (or Celly), Tho. Mory, Wm Crow, Wm. Hutton, Saml, Cornix, Abra'
Travers, Wm. Fowler, Jacob Carew, Wm. Hughes, Mary Stevens.

John BATTLE, 580 acst., in the Up. Par. of Nanzemond, att a place called
Kill Many Swamp; 24 Apr. 1682, p. 172. Trans of 12 pers: Robt. Hubberd,
Saml Merrit, Wm. Morgan, Richd. Harrington, Tho. Skinner, David
Hollingsworth, Joan Stiles, Marv Batest, Susan Meriday; Toney, Isabel,
Bastian, Negroes.

John Battle and Elizabeth ?? had the following children:

2 i. Alsey2 Battle was born on (birth date unknown).
+ 3 ii. William Battle Sr was born 1682.

Second Generation

3. William2 Battle Sr (John1) was born in Paspetank River, NC, Colonial
America 1682. William died 1749 in Nansemond Co, VA, at 67 years of age.

He married Sarah Hunter in Nansemond Co, VA, 1710. Sarah was born in
Nansemond Co, VA 1684. Sarah was the daughter of William Hunter. Sarah
died 1769 at 85 years of age. William Battle was only eight years old when
his father died. William was raised by Lawrence & Mary Mageo who were named
in a suit against Richard Pope regarding land on the Pasquotank River.

William Battle Sr and Sarah Hunter had the following children:

+ 4 i. William3 Battle II was born 1707.
+ 5 ii. John Battle was born 30 Apr 1709.
6 iii. Sarah Battle was born 1711.
+ 7 iv. Elisha Battle was born 09 Jan 1723.
8 v. Mary Battle was born in Nansemond Co, VA 1723. She
married William Robins bef 1742.
Third Generation

4. William3 Battle II (William2, John1) was born in Nansemond Co, VA
1707. William died Dec 1778 at 71 years of age.

He married Martha Brown. William Battle II in his will of 1778 had
witnesses including Hardy Horn and John Thorn, signifying a continuing
relationship with those families. It is possible that this John Thorn was
son of Thomas and Mary (Lee) Thorn and brother to Martin Thorn b. 1737.
Thomas and Mary Thorn sold land to William Battle in 1741.

William Battle II and Martha Brown had the following children:

9 i. Mary4 Battle was born before 30 Aug 1746, the first event for
which there is a recorded date. Mary died aft 1783. She married William
Taylor 30 Aug 1746. William was born 1706. William was the son of Thomas
Taylor and Mary ??.

See my TAYLOR Family Line on my Family History Libraray page.

----- Original Message -----
From: R. Battle <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 9:30 AM
Subject: [BATTLE] ancestry of Mathew and John Battle

> Hello, all you cousins out there.
> Apparently my previous post about the incorrectness (is that a word?) of
> the quasi-traditional lineage from Walter de Botteville to Mathew and John
> Battle came as a surprise to some people (and an unpleasant one at that).
> So, I thought I should clarify my earlier comments on this point.
> First, let me say that I have no desire to step on anyone's toes in this
> or any other genealogical issue. However, I know that all of us are
> interested in the truth about our origins, whatever that happens to be;
> so I trust that my comments will be taken in that light and not as an
> attack on anyone who continues to trust this line.
> Second, let me say that I believe that this line fails on two counts: it
> is not *proven*, and it can be *disproved*.
> In the field of careful genealogical research, lines should not be
> published unless proven. It is not enough to claim that because a line
> has not been disproven that it is correct; it must be positively proven.
> It goes without saying that a properly proven line cannot be disproved.
> In this case, Katherine Harrison (Battle) Alexander (or whoever she hired
> to do the research if she did not do it herself) failed to properly prove
> this line. Some references were provided, but these all deal either with
> the American family or the English family--none connect the two. Even
> more seriously, there are no connections for many of the generations in
> the English family provided by these sources. To speak generally, the
> fact that "Bill Johnson" had a son "Fred Johnson" and the fact that
> someone named "Fred Johnson" had a son named "George Johnson" does NOT
> necessarily mean that this George was Bill's grandson. There must be
> something connecting the two Freds. In the relevant case, while the
> sources sometimes provide evidence that certain Battles had sons with
> certain names, there is often no evidence to link these Battles together
> except name similarity. Moreover, most of these references are secondary
> sources, which in and of themselves do not constitute proof for anything
> (except that someone else at some point was convinced of the facts
> presented).
> So, this line is not properly proven, and as such it cannot be adopted.
> It cannot be _rejected_ on these grounds without disproof, but neither
> should it be accepted. The problem with this line is that it apparently
> CAN be disproven and so must be rejected. There are probably many places
> that this can be done, but it will suffice to mention one such "broken
> link."
> This broken link comes between generations 14 and 15 (Richard and Wyll'm).
> The previous generations are all messed up too, but a line can be proven
> from Humphrey (generation 2) to Richard (generation 14), even though it's
> not the same one as in the work in question. The problem is that Richard
> died without children--his coheirs were children of his sisters: Joan
> (Fern) Shelton, daughter of Constance (Bataille) Fern; William Butler,
> son of Margaret (Bataille) Butler; and Richard Kighly, son of ___
> (Bataille) Kighly. So, even assuming that John and Mathew were sons of
> William Battle and Margaret Dukes (which has not been proven) and that
> Wyll'm Battle and Cateryn Heman were the parents of this William (which
> has also not been proven), we still don't connect to this line. That is
> not to say that we are not related to it, though (indeed there are some
> intriguing possibilities among other descendants of Humphrey in
> Yorkshire); but we cannot claim to know what that connection is.
> Anyway, I hope this clears up my previous comments. There are other
> arguments involving chronology and family tradition which can be rallied
> against the line given, but this should suffice.
> Here's hoping we find the right links,
> Robert Battle

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