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From: "Shari Handley" <>
Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:08:51 -0500


Maggie,

What you're doing here is trying to go back and change a vote we've already taken. We've already voted to accept the
ESC's report and implement it. That horse is already out of the barn. You may not have agreed with it, and you may
have voted against it, but that's how it goes.

What we're doing now is deciding WHO the temporary chair will be. Not *whether* there will be a temporary chair. Not
*whether* we should implement the report of the ESC.

Shari

----- Original Message -----
From: MaggieOhio <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair


> Ellen,
>
> I can imagine my "trotting down to the polling place" to vote on a change or
> alteration to something that directly effects the running of the government.
> And I consider this just that. This is not something I feel should be done
> by representatives. This needs to be something that everyone agrees on in
> the project.
>
> And seems to me I learned in civics that those bills you refer to were voted
> on at a state level before they got to Congress. And I also don't remember
> saying it had to be some massive election. It could be as simple as getting
> a vote count from each states coordinator.
>
> Maggie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ellen Pack" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair
>
>
> At 04:09 PM 1/7/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ellen,
> >
> >Seems folks just want to do what they want regardless of what the USGenWeb
> >general population want. Why even bother to vote?
>
> You don't have to, if you don't want to, but you wouldn't be representing
> the interests of those you are elected to serve. That's the way it
> works: They elect you to vote on their behalf, when they cannot vote. If
> you're not sure how they feel, you can contact them, and get some feedback
> prior to casting your vote. That's up to you.
>
> Happens like this all over this great country of ours. It's called a
> representational form of government. Can you imagine each of us having to
> trot down to the polling places every time Congress wanted to vote on a
> bill, or even set up a committee? No, we "hire" representatives to vote on
> our behalf. If we don't like they way they're represented us, we throw the
> bums out, and get new ones in - theoretically, at least. <g>
>
> Additionally, in this case, the EC is the direct responsibility of the
> Board, according to the By-Laws:
>
> "ARTICLE VII. ELECTION PROCEDURES
> Section 1. A subcommittee to oversee elections shall be appointed by the
> Advisory Board. The Elections Subcommittee shall consist of Advisory Board
> members and volunteers from the members of The USGenWeb Project."
>
> If you would like to hold a general election so the general membership can
> do our job for us, go for it. Submit a motion to that effect. But I
> hardly think it necessary, or appropriate in lieu of the ByLaws.
>
> >I thought we were here
> >to do what all the members of USGenWeb wanted not just what the members of
> >the AB and the special committees want.
>
> We are assumed to be representative of the membership. That's how we got
> here, and the supposed purpose of this Board. Back to that civics lesson
> again.
>
> >I seem to remember being told that
> >we couldn't adopt alternate logos that I proposed (my motion was defeated)
> >without a vote of the membership's approval. Does this mean that alternate
> >logos are more important than the elections within USGenWeb?
>
> I'm not sure what one has to do with the other, or who told you what, or
> whatever. Just not familiar with it.
>
> Ellen, leaving for bowling
>
> m: "Ellen Pack" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair
> >
> >
> >Maggie -
> >
> >It would be a bit difficult to hold a national election about an election
> >committee, if we can't get an election committee together to hold and
> >monitor an election.
> >
> >The EC is the responsibility of the Board, as outlined in the
> >By-Laws. Members are having their say through their elected
> >representatives. That's us.
> >
> >The Board accepted the report in it's entirety, respectfully recognizing
> >there were minority opinions, but that they were just that - minority
> >opinions. Common sense dictates we only implement the majority opinion,
> >especially since it is not stated otherwise, within the report itself.
> >
> >Shari is right. There's no need to make a federal case out of this. The
> >motion before us reads simply:
> >
> >"I nominate Linda Haas Davenport as temporary chair of the
> >Standing Election Committee."
> >
> >It has been seconded. Let's vote.
> >
> >Ellen
> >
> >At 02:40 PM 1/7/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Shari,
> > >
> > >You are wrong. When the AB passed the motion to "accept and implement"
> the
> > >ESC report that means the report in it's entirity has to be followed.
> > >Richard is correct. This is exactly why I wanted to implement each
> section
> > >separately. And I still think that something of this magnitude in it's
> > >effect on the project should be voted on formally by the entire project.
> > >
> > >Maggie
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Shari Handley" <>
> > >To: <>
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 2:14 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair
> > >
> > >
> > >There's no need for Minority and Majority anything. The ESC put the
> report
> > >together, showing the minority opinions, but
> > >with the understanding that it was the majority opinions that we would
> > >recommend implementing.
> > >
> > >If the AB doesn't approve the slate chosen by the temp chair, then you
> are
> > >correct, a new temp chair will need to be
> > >chosen and the process repeated. There is nothing that says that those
> who
> > >initially volunteered cannot be volunteer
> > >again.
> > >
> > >This should not be a complicated thing. Let's accomplish this one little
> > >task without turning and twisting and
> > >microscopically dissecting it until it becomes impossible to manage.
> > >
> > >The discussion period was announced over a week ago. Let's have a vote.
> > >
> > >Shari
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator <>
> > >To: <>
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:28 PM
> > >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-40 SEC temp chair
> > >
> > >
> > > > What I am not quite clear on this is are we going to set up the
> Minority
> > > > part of this committee at the same time as Majority? Do we select from
> > > > same pool of eligible voters?
> > > >
> > > > Should the Advisory Board disapprove the slate of members in its
> > > > entirety then the Advisory Board shall choose a new temporary
> > > > chairperson and the process shall be repeated. Can the members of the
> > > > disapproved slate go back into pool and be reselected? What if there
> are
> > > > not enough volunteer's to choose from? What if there are not enough
> > > > from each region so that all can be represented?
> > > >
> > > > Are we going to have a Minority Chair and Majority Chair? Or is one
> > > > Chair and one Vice Chair? Richard...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator
> > > > Mailto: ICQ # 898319
> > > > NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board
> > > >
> > > > Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should
> > > > both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
>
>
>

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