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From: "Jan Cortez" <>
Subject: Re: Re: [BOARD-L] Question Regarding GAGenWeb Project
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:13:47 -0500
References: <014d01c2f803$df6e66e0$0f06fea9@JANA>


I don't think that is right. Shouldn't we treat all the same?????

Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jana Black" <>


> I suppose it depends upon whether those SCs upset their CCs enough for
> the CCs to submit a valid petition for removal????
>
> Jana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Cortez [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:09 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: [BOARD-L] Question Regarding GAGenWeb Project
>
>
> If we are to treat this SC this way, then please tell us what you
> propose to do with the other SC's who do not submit their lists on time.
> If this one should be punished for his error, please tell us what
> punishment you propose to mete out to the others.
>
> Jan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
>
>
> The EC Guidelines require that the SC submit lists quarterly. The SC
> of GA did none of that.. and we are all sitting here haggling over a cut
> off. Well.. let me be perfectly blunt. A list last fall will be
> inclusive of all the the CC's in place last fall. That is the list that
> was frozen. There is no 30 days eligibility conversation to be had.
> There is no as of date because in this case the list frozen is last
> fall. Period end of story. Did the SC fail yes.. sadly he did. Are we
> failing yes, sadly we are. We are failing to recognize a flawed Motion
> -023.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: jimmy <>
> > > Date: 2003/03/31 Mon PM 09:26:20 EST
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Question Regarding GAGenWeb Project
> > >
> > > Jan, I figured that's where you got it from. Richard and/or Roger
> > > can
> correct
> > > me if I am wrong, but the intent of the being "a member for at least
>
> > > 30 days prior to the start of an election is acceptable purely
> on an
> > > administrative basis." (the keywords are "administrative basis"), is
>
> > > so
> the EC
> > > can have time to put the election together. The bylaws state the
> > > annual election must start on 8/1, therefore it would asking a
> > > little too much
> for the
> > > EC to be prepared to allow a person to vote that joined on 7/31.
> > > It is administratively difficult to get things updated and new
> > > password and
> such.
> > >
> > > I think someone else said it very well... No one expected the EC to
> > > be
> used near
> > > as much as they are. The expectations when the guidelines were
> > > written
> would be
> > > the EC would pretty much be used for the annual election, and not
> > > much
> more than
> > > that.
> > >
> > > In this case the list is frozen as of 3/20, and if we want to use
> > > this
> "30 day
> > > rule" it would be to allow the EC up to 30 days to prepare
> (administrative
> > > basis) for the vote, but they should be able to use a list as of the
> date the
> > > petition was filed. It would be proper for the AB to allow the EC
> > > the
> needed
> > > time to set things up. In order for the 30 days prior to the
> > > petition
> to be
> > > administrative, then the EC must be prepared to have a vote on the
> > > day
> the
> > > petition is presented... And I don't think we would survive the
> > > barrage
> from
> > > the EC if we said that!!!!
> > >
> > > Does that make sense?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jan Cortez wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jimmy,
> > > >
> > > > I interpret the thirty days to this statement on this webpage.
> > > > Some
> one
> > > > correct me if I am wrong.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/guidelines.htm
> > > >
> > > > C. Eligibility of voters
> > > >
> > > > No restriction should be made on the right of any member
> > > > (excluding transcribers and lookup volunteers) to vote. Therefore,
>
> > > > any number of coordinators per county or state, town coordinators,
>
> > > > and state level
> special
> > > > project coordinators (as opposed to Special Project coordinators
> > > > from
> the
> > > > national level projects) such as Native American projects, African
> American
> > > > projects, military projects organized as and part of the XXGenWeb
> state
> > > > projects, shall be eligible to vote. A requirement that one be a
> member for
> > > > at least 30 days prior to the start of an election is acceptable
> purely on
> > > > an administrative basis. State-level or Special Project-level
> > > > voting restrictions shall not affect a member's right to vote in
> > > > any national
> level
> > > > election.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jimmy" <>
> > > >
> > > > > The standing rule doesn't say anything about a "30 day rule". I
> believe
> > > > it to
> > > > > be any one that is a CC (etc) as of 3/20.
> > > > >
> > > > > But before we start a discussion on this let's just ask for a
> ruling.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > jimmy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Cortez wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would interpret this to mean, the CC's Co-CC's and any other
> town
> > > > > > coordinators and special projects, that were currently doing
> > > > > > sites
> on
> > > > the
> > > > > > date that the list was frozen, that had been in the project
> > > > > > within
> the
> > > > last
> > > > > > thirty days, not on one that was not updated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let us not criticize the GA SC on not having a current list at
>
> > > > > > his fingertips. There are other SC's within this project in
> > > > > > the same
> state
> > > > of
> > > > > > affairs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan Cortez
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In response to Roger's opinion regarding whether or not
> > > > > > > various
> AB
> > > > members
> > > > > > > have the right to vote in the upcoming GAGenWeb election, I
> > > > > > > sent
> him
> > > > this
> > > > > > > follow-up question:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <>
> > > > > > > >[snip]
> > > > > > > > > Thank you for the opinion which I have forwarded to the
> > > > > > > > > AB.
> That
> > > > still
> > > > > > > > > leaves the question of how to determine what is the
> > > > > > > > > proper
> voting
> > > > list
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > use. The one that was in effect on 3/20/03? The one that
>
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > Stowell
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > submitted since then?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Isaiah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His answer:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Roger Swafford" <>
> > > > > > > >To: "Richard \(Isaiah\) Harrison" <>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Question Regarding GAGenWeb Project
> > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:41:41 -0600
> > > > > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi Isaiah,
> > > > > > > >The adopted rule freezes the voter list, 3/20/03. If the AB
> desires
> > > > to
> > > > > > use a
> > > > > > > >subsequent list submitted then the AB should amend the
> > > > > > > >adopted
> rule.
> > > > To
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > >a later list violates the freeze part of the rule.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Roger
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Isaiah
> > > > > >
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