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From: "Don Kelly" <>
Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] MNIGS
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:33:01 -0700
Sho nuff. It looks friendly under a different light, but "discipline"
still sounds negative to me, a red button to push, presenting a red flag
to the bull. <GRIN>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jana Black" <>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [BOARD-L] MNIGS
> Perhaps it would help if you look at the root of the word "discipline"
> which is the same as "disciple" and means to bring one along to the
> point where they understand and practice the standards of a particular
> group - like USGW .... Kinda makes the word "feel" more friendly????
> Dictionary.com says:
> "Disciple; One who embraces and assists in spreading the teachings of
> another. An active adherent, as of a movement or philosophy. "
> (It also uses religious references which are not applicable here). If
> approach "discipline" as encouraging members to "embrace and assist"
> our goal of providing free data for researchers as "active adherents"
> "of a movement," I'd say we are coming pretty close to our objectives
> a Project.
> No prob if this does not wash for you, but it really helped me when a
> school admin pointed it out to me in a teacher workshop years ago....
> Makes it seem like a positive mission, rather than something negative
> like "punishment."
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Kelly [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] MNIGS
> I don't like the word, "discipline" when referring to hard working
> volunteers and dedicated genealogists............they are volunteers
> after all and their behavior is in their hands. A bit of TLC and
> patience between volunteers can go far.
> Sure there are disruptive volunteers, it seems that a few XXGenWebs
> at least one.
> To those who consider themselves disruptive ( and some do), I
> them to work on genealogy, develop great looking webpages, and forget
> the politics. One thing is abundantly clear, politics and genealogy
> don't mix well.
> To leaders who must deal with, often forced to deal with, disruptive
> members, all I can recommend is be objective, take the personalities
> of your actions, and try not to take things personally.
> This is hard I know when one is attacked, but it is important to see
> both sides. We as SCs cannot be removing CCs for personal reasons;
> must be a clearly defined rule or set of rules broken as grounds for
> NIGS or removal.
> Bottom line, if you look at their web pages you see that they work
> trying to provide resources for researchers. There is now doubt in
> cases that they are dedicated CCs.
> All I can say is remain objective and persuasive, honorable in all
> dealings, and everyone do the best you can to avoid politics and get
> along. I caution that this NIGS thing not get out of hand, when the
> problem was rules were broken.
> Don Kelly NW/P SC Rep.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:28 AM
> Subject: [BOARD-L] MNIGS-Additional Information
> > Roger Swafford made the following post to the DISCUSS list earlier
> > ------------------
> > Members who have been declared "not in good standing" by either
> national or
> > state level were the result of some behavior or action by those
> members. It
> > is a consequence of the offending behavior or action.
> > I think discussion of the "mnigs" issue without also including other
> > possible consequences such as suspension, removal or expulsion is
> > appropriate. Let's face it folks, we are talking about the right
> of the
> > organization to discipline its members. Discussion of "mnigs"
> > considering the entire scope of discipline appears to me an example
> > jerk reaction to hot button issues of the day.
> > Roger
> > http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/roger03.htm
> > --------------------
> > Because we are dealing with this issue as informal discussion, we
> > easily broaden it to include the related issues.
> > -Isaiah
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