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From: "Shari Handley" <>
Subject: No Discussion During Voting
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:28:06 -0500
In-Reply-To: <000101c5128b$285aa370$3a281b41@D51XKD11>


During voting, members will refrain from discussion of the motion. The
discussion portion has ended and you had ample time to make your
comments then. After the vote has been called, you should post ONLY
your vote.

Shari Handley
National Coordinator
The USGenWeb Project

-----Original Message-----
From: Angie Rayfield [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:49 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [BOARD-L] VOTE: Motion 05-02 - Grievance Committee
Appointments


NO. As written, this motion appears to establish nothing more than an
AB clone, a "mini-me" required to have every move approved by the AB,
with its decisions & actions to be rubberstamped by the AB.

Would it be possible in the future to introduce the topic, have the
discussion, and THEN let someone make a motion that maybe incorporates
the ideas discussed?

This particular situation seems to have been about as backwards as you
could get. Volunteers were requested and appointed to a committee.
Instead of letting the committee discuss and submit a proposal to cover
the operating procedures, which could then be approved by the AB (much
like the EC operates), the chair asked for a motion to approve
procedures that aren't specified and don't exist. And then after
there's already a motion, we started a rather anemic discussion.

Once the motion is already made & seconded, it seems a little late for
discussion.

Angie Rayfield
SEMA SC Representative


>-----Original Message-----
>
>Please cast your vote on motion 05-02:
>
>YES to adopt the Grievance Committee procedures and appointments NO to
>reject the Grievance Committee procedures and appointments
>
>You'll have until 9 p.m. EST on Tuesday, February 15 to cast your vote.
>
>Shari
>
>*-----Original Message-----
>*
>*COMMITTEE DUTIES
>*The committee of three, plus the original parties to the failed
>*mediation, will be subscribed to an empty list. The committee will
>hear *the grievance and evidence, ask any questions it needs to in
>order to *get as clear a picture of the situation as possible, and
>issue a ruling
>*which would be binding upon all parties to the grievance.
>*
>*APPEAL
>*Either party to a grievance may ask for an appeal of the Grievance
>*Committee ruling. The Advisory Board is not obligated to hear
>*an appeal.
>*If an appeal is filed, there will be a simple poll of the
>*Advisory Board
>*(excluding those members who ruled on the grievance) asking if the
>*appeal should be heard. A simple majority of those voting will rule as
>*to whether an appeal will be heard by the full Advisory Board. If the
>*majority of those voting decides NOT to hear the appeal, then
>*the ruling
>*of the Grievance Committee will stand and will then be final. If the
>*majority decides that an appeal WILL be heard, both parties will be
>*asked to submit one written statement, explaining their
>*position and why
>*they feel the ruling should or should not be overturned. These
>*statements will be posted to the AB's executive session list, and a
>*decision will be made by the AB (excluding the 3 members who ruled on
>*the grievance) based on the information provided in the statements. A
>*2/3 majority of the AB members voting will be required to overturn a
>*ruling of the Grievance Committee.
>*
>*The Grievance Committee will consist of the following AB members:
>*
>*Betsy Mills, chair
>*Angie Rayfield
>*Jan Cortez
>*Denise Woodside, alternate
>*Don Kelly, alternate
>*Bettie Wood, alternate
>*
>*The motion is numbered 05-02 and is open for discussion.
>*
>*Shari
>*
>*
>*
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