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From: "Don Kelly" <>
Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] No Discussion During Voting
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:23:34 -0800
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YES
Don Kelly SC Rep NW/P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shari Handley" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: [BOARD-L] No Discussion During Voting


> During voting, members will refrain from discussion of the motion. The
> discussion portion has ended and you had ample time to make your
> comments then. After the vote has been called, you should post ONLY
> your vote.
>
> Shari Handley
> National Coordinator
> The USGenWeb Project
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angie Rayfield [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:49 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [BOARD-L] VOTE: Motion 05-02 - Grievance Committee
> Appointments
>
>
> NO. As written, this motion appears to establish nothing more than an
> AB clone, a "mini-me" required to have every move approved by the AB,
> with its decisions & actions to be rubberstamped by the AB.
>
> Would it be possible in the future to introduce the topic, have the
> discussion, and THEN let someone make a motion that maybe incorporates
> the ideas discussed?
>
> This particular situation seems to have been about as backwards as you
> could get. Volunteers were requested and appointed to a committee.
> Instead of letting the committee discuss and submit a proposal to cover
> the operating procedures, which could then be approved by the AB (much
> like the EC operates), the chair asked for a motion to approve
> procedures that aren't specified and don't exist. And then after
> there's already a motion, we started a rather anemic discussion.
>
> Once the motion is already made & seconded, it seems a little late for
> discussion.
>
> Angie Rayfield
> SEMA SC Representative
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>Please cast your vote on motion 05-02:
>>
>>YES to adopt the Grievance Committee procedures and appointments NO to
>>reject the Grievance Committee procedures and appointments
>>
>>You'll have until 9 p.m. EST on Tuesday, February 15 to cast your vote.
>>
>>Shari
>>
>>*-----Original Message-----
>>*
>>*COMMITTEE DUTIES
>>*The committee of three, plus the original parties to the failed
>>*mediation, will be subscribed to an empty list. The committee will
>>hear *the grievance and evidence, ask any questions it needs to in
>>order to *get as clear a picture of the situation as possible, and
>>issue a ruling
>>*which would be binding upon all parties to the grievance.
>>*
>>*APPEAL
>>*Either party to a grievance may ask for an appeal of the Grievance
>>*Committee ruling. The Advisory Board is not obligated to hear
>>*an appeal.
>>*If an appeal is filed, there will be a simple poll of the
>>*Advisory Board
>>*(excluding those members who ruled on the grievance) asking if the
>>*appeal should be heard. A simple majority of those voting will rule as
>>*to whether an appeal will be heard by the full Advisory Board. If the
>>*majority of those voting decides NOT to hear the appeal, then
>>*the ruling
>>*of the Grievance Committee will stand and will then be final. If the
>>*majority decides that an appeal WILL be heard, both parties will be
>>*asked to submit one written statement, explaining their
>>*position and why
>>*they feel the ruling should or should not be overturned. These
>>*statements will be posted to the AB's executive session list, and a
>>*decision will be made by the AB (excluding the 3 members who ruled on
>>*the grievance) based on the information provided in the statements. A
>>*2/3 majority of the AB members voting will be required to overturn a
>>*ruling of the Grievance Committee.
>>*
>>*The Grievance Committee will consist of the following AB members:
>>*
>>*Betsy Mills, chair
>>*Angie Rayfield
>>*Jan Cortez
>>*Denise Woodside, alternate
>>*Don Kelly, alternate
>>*Bettie Wood, alternate
>>*
>>*The motion is numbered 05-02 and is open for discussion.
>>*
>>*Shari
>>*
>>*
>>*
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