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From: Jeffery Scism <>
Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] SOPs - Permission to Speak
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:12:32 -0700
References: <DEEPINFJNEMADKKEKGBPCEEKDEAA.lab@boone.net>
In-Reply-To: <DEEPINFJNEMADKKEKGBPCEEKDEAA.lab@boone.net>

In the past the NC has allowed others ( Like Tina as an example) to run the official lists, that is in the NC's power under "delegation". The Chair can delegate authority and responsibility still rests where the Bylaws puts it. (authority can be a list manager, but responsibility still rests with the NC) Even the NC can moderate a whole PROJECT unreasonably, as has recently been seen. But we have to allow the freedom of choice to the Chair, and if they are even-minded, then we have to give them the ability to make that kind of decision. (It can get sticky...) ~~ Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG Local Coordinator Representative, NE/NC Region, USGenWeb Project http://usgenweb.org/ wrote: >I think we all realize why the NC is the chair. But maybe there are issues >that have come up in the past that you weren't privy to and need to be >addressed. > >What will you do if the NC moderates you and refuses to reason with you >about it or talk about it to anyone and what if the NC just moderates the >whole board? > >And, hopefully we aren't using any official lists that are run by a list >manager other than the NC. This is not a county mailing list issue. > >Linda B. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffery Scism [mailto:] >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:41 AM >To: >Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] SOPs - Permission to Speak > > >That is why the NC is the Chair, the Chair can do that, if a member is >disruptive. Also if the NC isn't that particular list manager, the List >manager can also do it. > >~~ > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG >Local Coordinator Representative, >NE/NC Region, USGenWeb Project > >http://usgenweb.org/ > > > > > >Angie Rayfield wrote: > > > >>So the NC should have the right to make unilateral decisions about who >>and who will not be allowed to speak on the lists, with no recourse? >> >>Angie Rayfield >>SEMA SC Representative >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:] >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:56 AM >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] SOPs - Permission to Speak >>> >>> >>>Angie wrote: >>>A better standard would be that the member has demonstrated >>>that he/she IS >>>(not likely to) making posts so disruptive that the board is unable to >>>perform its assigned duties. >>> >>>For Board-L I agree with the above. However, this is a blanket >>>statement so >>>it would also apply to private meetings. I believe that the NC >>>should have >>>the right to moderate a member who posts e-mails that attack >>>another member >>>or are rude or sarcastic or of a flaming nature and refuses to >>>stop posting >>>such e-mails when asked to do so by the NC. Such e-mails on a >>>private list >>>are not usually "so disruptive that the board is unable to perform its >>>assigned duties" but no member should not be allowed to >>>continue to post >>>such e-mails even in private. >>> >>>Along the same lines the NC should have the right to moderate >>>EXEC (or any >>>other private list the AB is using) if a flame war breaks out and the >>>members need some time to cool down. When several members of >>>the board are >>>involved there cannot be a "vote" to agree or disagree to moderation. >>> >>>Linda Haas Davenport >>>NC USGenWeb Project >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Angie Rayfield" <> >>>To: <> >>>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:48 AM >>>Subject: RE: [BOARD-L] SOPs - Permission to Speak >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I think this needs to be worded to point out that the Chair does not >>>>have an unending, no-contest right to keep a member from >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>speaking, and I >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>have a problem with the concept of "demonstrates they are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>likely to make >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>inappropriate posts". >>>> >>>>Under parliamentary procedure, such a decision by the chair >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>is subject >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>to a protest by the board and can be brought to a vote, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>something that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>previous NCs have chosen to ignore completely when it suited them. >>>> >>>>And moderating an elected representative should have a much higher >>>>standard than "likely to make inappropriate posts." First, >>>>inappropriate is entirely in the eye of the beholder, something else >>>>we've seen demonstrated by seemingly random moderations in the past. >>>>Who defines inappropriate, and how do you apply it fairly? A better >>>>standard would be that the member has demonstrated that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>he/she IS (not >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>likely to) making posts so disruptive that the board is unable to >>>>perform its assigned duties. >>>> >>>>Angie Rayfield >>>>SEMA SC Representative >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:] >>>>>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:52 AM >>>>>To: >>>>>Subject: [BOARD-L] SOPs - Permission to Speak >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Is there any further discussion of this proposed change? >>>>> >>>>>Existing SOP Permission to Speak: >>>>> >>>>>The requirement for recognition by the Chair before speaking >>>>>is suspended. >>>>>However, the Chair may limit this blanket permission when a member >>>>>demonstrates they are likely to make inappropriate posts to >>>>>the Board-L >>>>>list. >>>>> >>>>>to read: >>>>> >>>>>Permission to Speak >>>>> >>>>>The requirement for recognition by the Chair before speaking >>>>>is suspended. >>>>>However, the Chair may limit this blanket permission when a member >>>>>demonstrates they are likely to make inappropriate posts to >>>>>the currently >>>>>used list. >>>>> >>>>>Linda Haas Davenport >>>>>NC USGenWeb Project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >>>>>"No man is good enough to govern another man without that >>>>>other's consent." >>>>>Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release >>>>>Date: 10/10/2005 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release Date: >>>>10/10/2005 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >>>>Standing Procedures for the Advisory Board are located at: >>>>http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/procedures.shtml >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >>>Check out the Awards and Recognition our project has received: >>>http://www.usgenweb.org/about/index.shtml#awards >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release >>>Date: 10/10/2005 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent." >Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 > > >==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >Board-L minutes and voting records are located at: >http://www.usgenweb.org/business/index.shtml > > > > >