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From: "Roger L" <>
Subject: [BOER-WAR] WOW and Thank You
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:30:39 +0100
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Hello Peter

How do I start to say thank you ??? you have explained more in your e-mail
than I have ever understood about Grandfathers reason for being in South
Africa

I will just say that I did use the service of a "professional" researcher
who finally informed me that there was no record of my Grandfather to be
found and that his details were probably lost as lots were he also claimed
to have checked the medal rolls and found nothing.
So you can imagine how knocked over I was to see the contents of your e-mail
I now know what Company he served with and can follow this up to see what he
was actually doing out there, I have a photo of man not in uniform but
driving what looks like a small shunter train and am now wondering if this
may be connected

Than you so much for replying and for supplying so much to go on after
having thought there was no way forward I now know so much more about him
thanks to you and the other members of this list I only hope I will get the
chance to do something in return

Very Many Thanks

Roger L






----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Wray" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Service records


> Roger
>
> I have a copy of the Roll for the Queen's and the King's South Africa
> Medals
> as awarded to the Royal Engineers.
>
> This details 11238 Sapper A. Lingwood served with the 45th Fortress
> Company
> of the R.E. and was awarded the King's South Africa Medal. The roll is
> annotated thus "QSA with Essex Regt. (5234)".
>
> This confirms your grandfather's entitlement to the two medals that your
> cousin now has.
>
> I believe that the 45th Fortress Company under a Captain George Peabody
> Scholfield were detailed for Steam Road Transport.
>
> Born 1879 he obviously could not have served longer than 4 years or so
> with
> the Essex Regt. It would be worth looking at his entry on the QSA Roll to
> the Essex Regt in case there is a note of explanation. I would think it
> fairly unusual for an enlisted man in the Imperial service to move from a
> regiment to a corps at this time. It was commonplace for the irregular
> corps
> members to serve with 2, 3, 4, or more different units in the Boer War.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger L" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Service records
>
>
>> Hello Suzanne
>>
>> I know this sounds unkind but I don't think he when to Kew in fact I
>> think
>> he uses online services mainly
>>
>> I would be Very grateful if you would add my grandfather to your list and
>> will be pleased to cover what costs you incur
>>
>> His full name was Alfred Charles Lingwood he was born in East Stonehouse
>> Plymouth Devon on 14 July 1879
>> as I say he seems to have been in the Essex Reg and The Royal Engineers
>>
>> I have looked closer at one of the photo's and he looks like he is
>> sitting
>> by the side of a ship and the men around him have an Asian appearance so
> he
>> may have been in India first and then sent to South Africa when the
> trouble
>> started ( I believe the Essex Regiment did this )
>>
>> I was so surprised to hear from someone so quickly thank you so much for
>> your reply
>>
>> Roger M Lingwood
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Suzanne Rosser" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 9:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BOER-WAR] Service records
>>
>>
>> > Hello Roger
>> > Do you know if your researcher went to Kew records
>> > office.
>> >
>> > I am going there next Monday and have a list of people
>> > who's army records I am trying to find. I could put
>> > him on the list if you like.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately I was told by an expert at Kew that a
>> > lot of the records went missing in World War Two.
>> >
>> > regards Sue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Roger L <> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello to the list
>> >>
>> >> I have just joined so please allow for a few
>> >> mistakes
>> >>
>> >> I am interested in finding my Grandfathers service
>> >> records and what he was doing in South Africa
>> >> sadly I was one year old when he died and all I have
>> >> of him are a couple of photo's and some ornaments
>> >> made from bullets and gun shells that he made when
>> >> he worked at Woolwich Arsenal as a Projectile
>> >> Examiner
>> >>
>> >> My cousin has his 2 the Queens S.A. Medals with 3
>> >> clips or bars, Transvaal, Orange Free State, and
>> >> Cape Colony it also shows 5234 Private A C Lingwood
>> >> Essex Regiment
>> >>
>> >> The Kings S.A. medal with 2 bars South Africa 1901
>> >> and South Africa 1902 scratched into the front of
>> >> this is 1899 and something I can't read but on this
>> >> medal he is shown as 11238 Sapper A Lingwood Royal
>> >> Engineers
>> >>
>> >> Right now comes the questions, why 2 medals and was
>> >> it unusual to change your regiment like this?
>> >> I have wondered what a Sapper did out there as it
>> >> seems when he got home he went to work for the Royal
>> >> Arsenal ( sadly their records are not much use and
>> >> very few were kept ) so I wondered what he could
>> >> have been doing that might make him a suitable
>> >> candidate for the job
>> >> I know later while working there he was often
>> >> seconded to go up North to another armament factory
>> >> but for what I have no Idea
>> >>
>> >> Now for Trivia that may mean something I am told he
>> >> was pictured on a horse but the horse was not a real
>> >> one so was probably a studio prop he also brought
>> >> home what I remember as looking like a piece of coal
>> >> but was told as a child he brought it back from
>> >> Kimberly and it had a diamond in it ( we never got
>> >> to find out as by the time I grew up it had vanished
>> >> )
>> >> I can't add much to this other than I don't seem to
>> >> be able to find Alfred Charles Lingwood in WW1
>> >> records so have assumed he may have been reserved
>> >> occupation at the Arsenal
>> >>
>> >> Lastly I did employ a "Professional Researcher" but
>> >> was told that no trace of him or his service could
>> >> be found although I realise this is possible I have
>> >> my doubts as I don't think this was his particular
>> >> area of military research
>> >>
>> >> Any advice, information, ways forward would be
>> >> greatly appreciated I don't want my only knowledge
>> >> of my Grandfather to be a couple of photo's
>> >>
>> >> Many Thanks Roger L
>> >>
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