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From: Francisco Antonio Doria <>
Subject: [BRAZIL-L] Re: Beatrice of Portugal Lady Fettiplace
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:45:14 -0000


Can someone help with this issue, the origins of this very mysterious
lady? I can later offer my views on it.

chico doria


>I have been reading the messages concerning Beatrice, Lady
>Fettiplace. I think the fact that her first husband mararied
>firstly the granddaughter of Edward III of England, was a
>Knight of the Garter, and apparently a highly place noble,
>would militate against him marrying a second wife who was
>from an obscure (though I am sure a highly respectible)
>Portugese noblewoman with no connections to English royalty
>or nobility. (I am referring to Gilbert Talbot). Her
>heraldic sheild is puzzling, but may be the royal shield
>of Portugal with five crescents to indicate cadency (like
>a label with five tabs indicates the fifth child).
>
>What I suggest is to follow up on the documentation for her
>marriage to Gilbert Talbot. A similar situation occurred
>with William, Lord Bonville, who the Complete Peerage said
>married a first wife by the name of Margaret. Research in
>the Calendar of Close Rolls for 1414 showed the recognisances
>for this marriage settlement says that the 2,000 pounds were
>from Reynold de Grey, Knt., on the condition that William
>Bonville marry his daughter Margaret. So similarly, I think
>there must be a marriage settlement recorded in the calendar
>of close rolls for Gilbert Talbot and Beatrice. The Complete
>Peerage shows a recognizance of 4,000 pounds for Gilbert Talbot
>in Nov. 1413 (CCR, 1413-1419, p. 98 according to CP). I
>guess that may be the marriage settlement. I am far from
>a location where this book is held -- I have requested an
>inter library loan photocopy of the pages -- so perhaps
>someone close could examine the pages?

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