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From: "Paul C. Reed" <>(by way of Francisco Antonio Doria, <>
Subject: [BRAZIL-L] Re: Beatrice of Portugal Lady Fettiplace
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:21:32 -0000


Este é o texto integral do post de Paul Reed sobre Beatriz `de Portugal,'
lady Fettiplace.

Pela cópia,

chico doria


>
>Can someone help with this issue, the origins of this very mysterious
>lady? I can later offer my views on it.
>
>chico doria

The Visitation of Berkshire, 1566 [HS 56:28] reads:

S[i]r Thomas ffetiplace of East Shifforde in the Countie of Berk[shire]
Knighte
maried the Ladye Beatryce. Countesse of Shrewsburye. and daughter to
Alphoncius
[sic] Kinge of Portingall [sic]. and had yssue Rycharde his eldist Sonne
ex
relacone Rob[er]ti Yate de Oxon [Oxfordshire] gener[osus].

This son Richard married Elizabeth Bessilles, daughter of William
Bessiles.
They were ancestors of Gov. Thomas Dudley.

On page 90 of the same volume, the Visitation of Berkshire, 1623, it
gives John
Fettiplace, "famulus Regis H[enry]: 6" as husband of Jane Fabian, and son
of
Thomas Fettiplace of Shifford, Berkshire, Esquire. Thomas's wife is
given as
Beatrix, daughter of John, King of Portugal. She is given as widow of
Thomas,
Count of Arundel, first husband, and Gilbert, Lord Talbot, second
husband.

CP 1:246 says that Thomas Fitz Alan, Earl of Arundel, b. 13 Oct. 1381,
Knight
of the Bath, Knight of the Garter, Warden of the Cinque Ports, married 26
Nov.
1405, at Lambeth, Beatrice, illegitimate (but probably legitimized)
daughter of
"John I," King of Portugal, by Inez Perez. The Earl died without issue
(of
dysentry) 13 Oct. 1415 (contracted at the seige of Harfleur).

She then married (license 20 Jan. 1432/3) John Holand, Earl of Huntingdon,
Lieutenant of Aquitaine, Duke of Exeter. She died without issue 23 Oct.
1439
at Bordeaux and was buried at Arundel, where there is a monumental
inscription.


The statement that she married Gilbert, 5th Lord Talbot (b. 1383, d.
s.p.m. 19
Oct. 1418), is erroneous. He was also a Knight of the Garter, and
married,
about 1415, Beatrice, a Portugese lady believed to have belonged to the
family
of Pinto. She then married, before 1423, Thomas Fettiplace, of East
Shefford,
co. Berks., who died there between 1442 and 1446 (where there is a
monumental
inscription). She died on Christmas Day 1447 and was also buried there
(with a
MI). The monumental inscriptions are descibed by Planche'

There is an account of both these ladies in Nicolas's _Coll. Top. et Gen.
1:80-90. The erroneous identification is also apparently repeated in the
Grande Enciclopedia Portugesa e Brasiliera 4:401. Her seal desplayed 5
crescents in saltire, but she also bore the ancient arms of Purtugal on
her
seal. It has been suggested that she was daughter or granddaughter of
Lope
Diaz de Souza, grandson of an illegitimate son of Alfonso III of
Portugal.
See also J. R. Planche' _Journal of the Archaeological Association_,
1860. The
arms of that Souza family are said to be gules five crescents in saltire
argent. The second Beatrice had been in the company of the Queen.

Gilbert Talbot was an MP in 1432 and 1439-40, so there would be a detailed
biography of him in the new series of the History of Parliament which
might
also mention somnething further about her.

The first Beatrice was sister of Affonso, Duke of Braganza.

Chico, though the first Beatrice died without issue, the second Beatrice
who
married Thomas Fettiplace and was ancestor of Gov. Dudley and has tens of
thousands of American descendants, if not hundreds of thousands.

If you knew anything further about her it would be of great interest, and
certainly worthy of an article in a journal such as the New England
Historic
Genealogical Register.

Paul

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