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From: "Mary Ann Rhodes" <>
Subject: Re: Smith, Wise
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:06:08 -0800
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Jane, I have the encyclopedia. Know where to obtain both the CB and BC
publications.
In the Nov 12 1889 Gospel Messenger, my great-grandfather wrote an article
entitled "The Lords Supper ". It begins, "Under the above heading a series
of articles were written be Jesse Engle and published in the Evangelical
Visitor (River Brethren). He proceeded to explain why he decidedly
disagreed with Elder Engle.
Then in the Jan 28, 1890 Gospel Messenger, Elder John Forney wrote "A Word
of Explanation". It begins, "I notice in the Evangelical Visitor, No.1, of
January 1890, that Elder H. Davidson, in his editorial on page 9, makes a
note of my article in the issue of Nov 12, of Messenger. He seems to think
I charged Elder Engle wrongfully---."
That "the articles were evidently written with the view of attacking our
doctrine (River Brethren)." More dialog, and then Elder John says, "If
Elder Engle had only set forth the doctrine of the River Brethren church, I
should not have raised any objection to his article. My criticism was
brought out because he did not stop of using unbecoming and abrasive
language against the practice of our church------."
Needless to say, I wanted copies of what the River Brethren had written
which so emphatically upset Elder John.
I had without thinking written something in another response that James
Shuman corrected. I went to the web site he suggested, found the # for
the Brethren in Christ offices in Grantham, PA. I called this AM, they
connected me to the Messiah College Archives. They have paper copies of the
Evangelical Visitor and are sending copies to me. I did not inquire about
their other holdings but evidently this is where River Brethren material can
be found.
Thank You, JS

Mary Ann


----- Original Message -----
From: Jane Davis <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Smith, Wise


> I noted your questions regarding the River Brethren and the Brethren
> Evangelist paper--In checking the Brethren Encyclopedia under River
> Brethren, I am referred to Brethren In Christ. The Brethren in Christ
> article (pp. 188-189) lists both the denomination originating from 1780 in
> Lancaster, Pa., and the spin-off group, the Shoemakerites in 1834. They
> follow the German Baptist Brethren in some areas, Mennonites in other
areas.
> The Brethren in Christ (Shoemakerites), were a dissenting group
originating
> in 1834 in Westmoreland and Fayette Cos., PA. Messiah College, Grantham,
PA
> and Niagara Christian College, Fort Erie, Ontario are listed as their
> colleges--the Brethren in Christ group.
> The paper, The Brethren Evangelist, is listed (p. 185-6) as the
> official periodical of The Brethren Church. The Brethren Church
> headquarters are in Ashland, Ohio (pp.181-184). Contacting the colleges
> associated with the Brethren in Christ or the Ashland, Ohio headquarters
may
> give you some leads. Possibly, some of the Church of the Brethren
colleges
> or the Elgin offices may have copies of this paper in their heritage
> sections. Hope this may help a little--Jane Davis.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Ann Rhodes <>
> To: <>
> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Smith, Wise
>
>
> >Ferne.
> >Thanks!
> >and
> >Can you tell me where microfilm of the Brethren Church paper, the
Brethren
> >Evangelist can be found?
> >and where is anywhere the River Brethren records are located?
> >I went thru the Gospel Messenger at La Verne University and Dr. Heckman
> >thought Abilene, Kansas maybe?
> >Would really appreciate some help!
> >Thanks,
> >Mary Ann
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 5:47 AM
> >Subject: Re: Smith, Wise
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Sorry, I retraced my steps this morning and the statement was not in
> >> Brethren Encyclopedia but in his obituary in The Gospel Messenger of
> >> December 6, 1947... ( which also negates the death date in 1948 which I
> >> have seen).
> >>
> >> I quote"...he was elevated to the position of representative to the
> United
> >> States Congress by his North Carolina district and completed three
terms
> >in
> >> that body, 1897 - 1903." In 1904 he turned his back on
politics......"
> >>
> >> Ferne Baldwin
> >> Manchester College
> >>
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