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From: "Bill & Lynn Sewell" <>
Subject: Re: [BRE] COB and OGBB
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:04:06 -0600
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Do you know where I can read a copy of the book. I am a Shoup descendent.
Lynn Hilty Sewell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [BRE] COB and OGBB


> Jim,
>
> Thanks, now I am satisfied; my question has been answered. Indeed I was
> confused. So the main branch was trying to "conserve" what was "new."
> The OGBB wanted to "reestablish" what was "old." And it took time (a
> couple of decades or more?) for all of this to reach the boiling point.
> But, just as I originally expected, the labels (nouns formed out of
> adjectives) for the two groups were to distinguish between the
> "Old-Orders" and the "Neo-Conservatives." Too bad they didn't use that
> wonderful prefix "neo" to clarify things for me.
>
> Incidentally, if anyone wants to read about the effects of the divide on
> one church and its member families, I highly recommend reading Lela M
> Shoup, "A Brief History of the Donnels Creek Old German Baptist Church,"
> 1976, especially pages 12-20. It goes into detail about how individual
> members of certain families had to struggle with which way to go, and how
> they tried to get along as blood family while the church family was
> falling apart.
>
> Dwayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [BRE] COB and OGBB
>
>
>> Dwayne,
>> Perhaps you are confused. Some of the issues that was the basis of the
>> division such as Sunday school, protracted meetings, higher education,
>> forming
>> of Districts had already become part of the church. At the first
>> separate
>> Annual meeting held in 1882 by OGBB action was to strike out all
>> decisions " That
>> gave encourgament to changes and deviations from the old established
>> order and
>> practice of the church."
>>
>> The OGBB wanted to regress to their former practice.
>>
>> Article 5. of the 1882 OGBB annual meeting minutes reads "Inasmuch as we
>> are
>> much opposed, since the division, by some of the so-called "conservative"
>> and
>> "progressive" brethren, upon what conditions can we admit such into the
>> church
>> in case any should change their minds and wish to stand with us in the
>> old
>> faith and principles of the church?"
>>
>> I cannot explain why those terms were used except they appear in the
>> offical
>> minutes in 1882.
>>
>> Jim Denlinger
>>
>>
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