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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:40:18 EDT

THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 48B
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(issued biweekly by )
December 15, 1998
(all rights reserved)

This third section of the 3 section newsletter features a Latin Word
Question, A Round Robin of International Mail-- From Australia-A Pending
Trip, From Austria-Village of Althodis, and From Hawaii-Austrian Hawaian
Association, an Offer from Heritage Quest Magazine, Extracts from the
Burgenlndische Gemeinschaft Christmas Issue and some Moson Megye LDS
Microfilm Numbers of Interest.

"VICRUM" -LATIN WORD?
We have a team of Burgenland researchers in members Sherrill and Charles
Petti. They're researching the Schachendorf-Durnbach-Rechnitz region. Charles
is house bound and not on the net and Sherrill is doing his leg work and
email for him. Charles called the other night to say they've struck a mother
lode but have some problems sorting out all of the family records his sister
has found for him. One problem involves a death record (entries in Latin)
which contains the word "vicrum" following age of the deceased. Anyone have
any ideas? There is also a good possibility that the Petti name (which
appears to be of Italian origin) may be another of those families (like
possible Irish name Gilly) which owe their Burgenland presence to mercenaries
who settled in the region following one of the many wars, perhaps the battle
of Mogersdorf- (Szentgotthard).

MAIL FROM AUSTRALIA-TRIP PENDING (from Keiron Rad)
With Fritz's (Knigshofer) most generous assistance, I've finally managed to
start uncovering my paternal grandfather's roots, which so far appear to be
firmly planted in Nagykanizsa for at least a further 2 ancestoral generations
(traced back so far to the early 1800's).

I find the more I uncover, the more questions I have and the more I want to
pursue possible new avenues of discovery. It's like a tree of endless
branches, and I have become overwhelmingly convinced that genealogy ranks as
one of the most enriching personal experiences and spiritually rewarding
pursuits one can participate in this life.

The Burgenland Bunch really enhances that enjoyment. It's really quite a
unique bond, and I haven't yet discovered another gen group quite like it on
the Internet.

PS: A journey to Austria and Hungary is now planned in the Burgenland spring
of '99 to meet up with my cousins and their descendents, and of course with
much research in the actual Burgenland, Vas and Zala megye. Wien, Rechnitz,
Althodis, Neuhodis, Drnbach, Steinamanger, Raab, Budapest, Nagykanizsa,
Fnfkirchen. Mohcs etc. all feature heavily in this. Fortunately I will be
accompanied by my cousin/s and so have both native Hungarian and German
speakers on the journey. I should have some interesting video from which I'll
edit AVI's in which the BB will be interested as well as lots of photos and a
good yarn or two to tell which will be of interest to all. Although there are
no actual first cousins in Rechnitz, there will be many second cousins as the
names Heissenberger, Pauss etc. all feature heavily in the Rechnitz phone
book and are insofar as I can tell from pretty much the same few descendent
lines. So the promise of some new friends and discovery through mutual bonds
looms invitingly.

He also writes:....I'd also been meaning to write to you to advise of a
couple of interesting things I've come across about Nagykanizsa and it's
possible German name. I suspect it had a couple of German names, but all
unofficial and not in particularly common use. There is the Baedekker
reference which you advised me of, and which IMO would be accurate of it's
contemporary German nomenclature during the era the Baedekker was published.

Having said that, unlike most towns of the region even extending as far east
as Pcs (Fnfkirchen), it doesn't appear to ever have had an official or
widely used common German name. That much is evident from maps. From my
research so far, I believe another option is that it's literal translation as
Gross Kanizsa is probably as close as it gets to a perpetual German name.

I note that although the maps including the older ones I've inspected (late
19th century) all refer to it as Nagykanizsa (ie: single word) Fritz refers
to it in two words ie: Nagy Kanizsa which supports the Large Kanizsa theory.
The reason I believe this to be so is from an excerpt discovered in the
"Lonely Planet Guide to Hungary", 1997 edition. I've found the author of
this particular reference to usually have his facts correct. He refers to the
origin of the name thus;

"Early in the 14th century, Charles Robert, the first Anjou king of Hungary,
ceded the area to the Kaniszay family, who built a castle in the marshes of
the canal west of today's town centre. "

Thus the origin of the city's name, derived from the noble Kanizsa(y) family
who later donated a portion of the estate to establish the original town. As
such, my hypothesis <smiles> is that being a surname, Kanizsa doesn't really
translate into anything except Kanisza. Thus Nagy Kanisza as Fritz writes is
more technically correct, but over time has become 'corrupted' in common
language usage into Nagykanizsa.Thought you might find this of interest.

MAIL FROM AUSTRIA-ALTHODIS (from Michael Hotvagner)
I've already contacted one of the Burgenland Bunch members concerning "my
village" and have got back some interesting information about the region. As
I am living in Vienna, Austria and visiting Althodis and the surrounding
villages from time to time and am in regularly phone contact with Hans
Hotvagner, who in fact is my uncle (i.e. the brother of my mother), I have of
course accurate and up to date information about the region, especially
Althodis.

I found your homepage merely by incident (or rather by fortune) and don't
have very much experience in genealogy. But due to your homepage and e-mail
contact to two of your members, I'm really more and more interested in it.
I'll be very glad to answer any questions concerning Althodis and as far as
I'm able to, also concerning Markt Neuhodis, Rechnitz, Drnbach and
Schachendorf.

The Glockenturm (if it is the old wooden one) you refer to was unforutunately
replaced by a modern church - and I must admit, it is not a pretty one - in
1965. Althodis now is in fact very different in the 1990's from the village
it has been some decades ago. In fact I would really like to contribute an
article on Althodis to your newsletter, but as my schedule is very tight for
the next couple of weeks, it might be some time until it becomes reality. As
far as I knew, I didn't have anyone in my family emigrated to the U.S. (but I
might have been surprised and corrected on this fact today). I know that
there are some people living in Canada, but - shame on me - I don't know, who
they are, nor do I have any contact with them. That's all for now. If your or
anyone else should have any questions please do feel free to e-mail me.
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MAIL FROM HAWAII - (from Hermann Allerstorfer)- THE BB CIRCLES THE GLOBE!
Aloha Ihr Burgenlaender!
Ich bin President der AUSTRIAN HAWAIIAN ASSOCIATION in Hawaii und vielleicht
der einzige Burgenlaender am Ende der Welt. Geboren in Heiligenkreuz
i.L.komme ich einmal im Jahr, meistens im September, ins Burgenland und
geniesse das gute Essen bei Gibiser Edith. Ich wuerde mich freuen, Eueren
Newsletter zu kriegen und verbleibe mit einem herzlichen " Griass aich Gott
from "Kailua, Hawaii ><

Translation: I'm president of the AHA and perhaps the only Burgenlander from
the end of the world! Born in Heiligenkreuz I visit once a year in September
and enjoy the good food at Edith Gibiser's (Gasthaus). I'd like to receive
the newsletter and I send God's Greeting (in Hianzisch).

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BURGENLANDISCHE GEMAINSCHAFT EXTRACTS- NOV/DEC 1998 ISSUE
Topics of note:
o Member Heinz Koller has an article concerning 25th Anniversary of Gssing
as a city. Included is the wonderfull castle picture, a copy of which
(courtesy of Heinz) can be found at the WorldGenWeb Burgenland page. Koller
writes: "Gssing...is a symbol of culture and civilization, of tradition and
progress....the pearl of the southern Burgenland."
o The mineral water and spa museum in Sulz.
o Emigrant cities mentioned-Northampton and New York
oCentennial of the church in Steinfurt
o Auswandererschicksal (Emigrant Story) features the Walter Pomper family
from Rohrbach a. d. Teich. Walter, now living in Chicago is editor of the
"Austrian-
American" newsletter mentioned in our previous newsletters.
o Edith Gibiser, proprietor of the world class "Gibiser Gasthaus" in
Heiligenkreuz will observe her 66th birthday on Christmas day.
o Eisenstadt, capitol of the Burgenland has been a free city for 350 years.
o Recipes featured-Roast Capon-Styrian style, bread stuffing and potato salad
o Pictures-"The Church Council of Stinatz in Mariazell, 1917; Vineyard Labor
in Winten, 1938 and "The Young Have Left, the Old Remain, Unterwart, 1975.

SOME MOSON MEGYE LDS MICROFILM NUMBERS OF INTEREST (from Giles Gerken)
(Ed. Note: It is not our intention to list all LDS microfilm numbers. They
are available at History Centers. What is interesting about this list is that
it represents a group of film which Giles has put together to aid in his
search. It incorporates church records from his village, surrounding parish
villages and military and census records. They could also contain civil
records where available. In other words don't stop searching after exhausting
your village church records.)

Giles writes: Following is list of Nos. I have collected todate. Since
regaining sight I have been able to look up myself on microfiche those I was
searching for. Couldn't read it previously.
Church Records Rom Catholoic from:
Hegyeshalom 0630700 -063701 Rajka 0630840-0630841

Mosonszolnok 0630799-0630800-0630801-0630802 -0630803

Feltorony (Halbturn) 0700861 0700862 Magyarovar 0630775 0630776
0630777 0630778 0630779 0630780
Deaths of Military Personnel Wieselburg (Moson Co) 1454439
For regimental captains & garrison place names- 1442862 1442866
1828 Land Census Moson Co. 623058 623059 623060

Hope this will be of help to other members in this area. Always ready to help.

END OF NEWSLETTER-EDITED & DISTRIBUTED BY GERALD J. BERGHOLD, Contact
for information about the Burgenland Bunch.

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