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Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 80A dtd 15 May 2000
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:21:50 EDT
THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 80A
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(issued biweekly by )
May 15, 2000
This second section of the 3 section newsletter continues the article about
immigrant travel and completes the list of Possible Burgenland Immigrant
Ships in excess of 15M tons as begun in Newsletter No. 79A. It also includes
Source For Hungarian Obituaries, Schloss Kapfenstein, the Burgenland "Deep
South", and the Tale of the Esterhazy Irish Governess.
POSSIBLE BURGENLAND IMMIGRANT SHIPS (P to Z, The Larger Vessels Built Pre
These are ships built before 1930, which were in excess of 15M tons. Shown
are the ships' names, where and when built, approximate tonnage (rounded to
nearest thousand tons), service speed, number of passengers, shipping firm,
normal port to port route and final disposition. During WWI and WWII, many of
these ships were used as troop ships or laid up in ports of destination or
origin. Many were seized as war reparations and given new names and new
PARIS, St. Nazaire, France 1921, 35M tons, 22 knots, 1930 passengers. French
Line, Le Havre-New York service. Burned and capsized 1939.
PITTSBURGH, Belfast, Ireland 1922, 16M tons, 15 knots, 2400 passengers. White
Star Line, transatlantic service. Red Star Line 1925, renamed PENNLAND 1926.
PRESIDENT GRANT, Belfast, Ireland 1907, 18M tons, 14.5 knots, 3830
passengers. Hamburg-America Line, Hamburg to New York service. Laid up 1914.
United States Lines 1923-24, renamed REPUBLIC, New York-north Atlantic
service. Hospital ship 1931-51, scrapped 1952.
PRESIDENT LINCOLN, Belfast, Ireland 1907, 18M tons, 14.5 knots, 3828
passengers. Hamburg-America Line, Hamburg to New York service. Laid up 1914.
Seized by US, troopship, sunk by U-boat 1918.
PRINZ FRIEDRICH WILHELM, Geestemünde, Germany 1908, 17M tons, 17 knots, 2519
passengers. North German Lloyd, Bremerhaven to New York service. To British
as war reparations 1919. Canadian Pacific Lines 1921. Renamed EMPRESS OF
INDIA, Liverpool Quebec City. Scrapped 1930.
REGINA, Belfast, Ireland, 1918, 16M tons, 15 knots, 2455 passengers.
Dominion Line 1920, White Star Line 1925. Seat of Dutch government in exile
WWII. Scrapped 1947.
ROMA, Genoa, Italy, 1926, 33M tons, 22 knots, 1675 passengers. Navigazione
Generale Italiana, Italy to New York. Italian Line 1932. Laid up 1939.
Rebuilt as aircraft carrier AQUILA. Sunk 1945.
ROTTERDAM, Belfast, Ireland, 1908, 24M tons, 17 knots, 3575 passengers.
Holland-America Line, Channel ports-New York run. Laid up WWI. Broken up 1940.
ST. LOUIS, Bremen, Germany 1929, 17M tons, 16 knots, 973 passengers.
Hamburg-America Line, Hamburg to New York service. Bombed 1944, scrapped
SAMARIA, Birkenhead, England, 1921, 20M tons, 16 knots, 2190 passengers.
Cunard Line, Liverpool to New York-Boston-Eastern Canada service. Scrapped
SATURNIA, Monfalcone, Italy, 1927, 24M tons, 19 knots, 2197 passengers.
Cosulich Line, Italy to New York service. Laid up in Italy 1940-42. US
hospital ship. Scrapped 1965.
SCYTHIA, Barrow in Furness, England, 1921, 20M tons, 16 knots, 2206
passengers. Cunard Line, Liverpool to Canada service. Scrapped 1958.
TITANIC, Belfast, Ireland, 1912, 46M tons, 21 knots, 2603 passengers. White
Star Line, Southhampton to New York. Struck an iceberg and sank on maiden
voyage, 1503 passengers lost.
TRANSYLVANIA, Glasgow, Scotland, 1925, 17M tons, 16 knots, 1423 passengers.
Anchor Line, Glasgow to New York. Torpedoed 1940.
TUSCANIA, Glasgow, Scotland, 1922, 17M tons, 16.5 knots, 2435 passengers.
Anchor Line, Glasgow to New York. Chartered to Cunard 1926-31. Sold to Greek
Line 1939. Name changed. Scrapped 1961.
TYRRHENIA, Glasgow, Scotland, 1922, 16M tons, 16 knots, 1785 passengers.
Anchor Line, Glasgow to New York. Renamed LANCASTRIA 1924. Bombed and sunk
VATERLAND, Hamburg, Germany, 1914, 54M tons, 23 knots, 3909 passengers.
Hamburg-America Line, Hamburg to New York service. Largest liner in the
world 1914-21. Interned New York 1914. Sized by US 1917, renamed LEVIATHAN
troopship. Sailed 1922-23 as US Lines LEVIATHAN New York to Southampton
service. Scrapped 1938.
VEENDAM, Govan, Scotland, 1923, 15M tons, 15 knots, 1898 passengers.
Holland-America Line, Rotterdam to New York service. Damaged 1940. Resumed
service 1947-53. Scrapped 1953.
VOLENDAM, Govan, Scotland, 1922, 15M tons, 15 knots, 1899 passengers.
Holland-America Line, Rotterdam to New York service. War service 1940-45.
Resumed service 1951. Scrapped 1952.
VULCANIA, Monfalcone, Italy, 1927, 24M tons, 19 knots, 2196 passengers.
Cosulich Line, Italy to New York service. Laid up in Italy 1940-42. US
hospital ship. Scrapped 1974.
SOURCE FOR HUNGARIAN OBITUARIES (Viktor Fischer & Fritz Konigshofer)
Viktor writes: Hello Gerry, how could I find any obituaries for my
grandfather Frigyes GRÁTZL? He died 1937 in Kõszeg (former Güns) from a WWI
chest injury, and had been born in Bozsok (Poschendorf) March 1893. He was
awarded a military funeral - which my mother and her sisters still remember
with great distress - he died with the rank of Captain and had been attached
to the cadet school Hunyádi Mátyás Reál Iskola which I had thought was in
Szombathely, but now I believe it was in or near Kõszeg.
I would want to look at both any Kõszeg newspapers and any county-wide
Vasmegye newspapers: what would those newspapers be, where might archives be
and how could they be accessed? U.Viktor Fischer, Melbourne, Australia
Fritz replies: Viktor, Gerry forwarded your following message to me. With
the information you have as per your message, I still cannot understand why
the Hungarian Military Archives cannot pull up a file on your grandfather.
Could it be a question of paying them for the search?
Viktor, I believe that at least the Günser Zeitung (in German) continued
publication after 1918 and might still have existed until 1938. You recall,
I was able to find an obit on your g-grandfather Johann Gratzl's death of
1924 in that newspaper. If you can give me the precise date of Fritz
Gratzl's death, I'll try to check the Günser Zeitung of 1937 at my next visit
Obviously there must have been newspapers in the Hungarian language that
could be checked for an obit. Since I do not understand Hungarian, you might
want to approach the Hungarian National Library with a related research
request and ask what they would charge you for performing the search.
The Hungarian National Library also has a collection of obits. I would be
happy to check the 20th century section on whether they have an obit of Fritz
(Frigyes) Gratzl's death. However, according to my relatively limited
experience with the obit collection, these are only the obit notes produced
by the families, i.e., those usually black bordered single sheets announcing
the death and funeral. They normally do not have bio info, but often list
all the close relatives.
As mentioned, I could do this lookup whenever I get my next chance in the
library in Budapest. In the recent visit, I never had the chance to check
the obit collection (which has much more limited opening hours than the
SCHLOSS KAPFENSTEIN & THE BURGENLAND "DEEP SOUTH" (Tom Grennes)
Tom writes: << Do you know anything about Schloss Kapfenstein as a place to
stay while visiting Burgenland/Styria? My wife and I will be visiting in
that area briefly next month, and it appeared that it might be an easy drive
from there to Minihof-Liebau, the birthplace of my grandmother. >>
My answer: Schloss Kapfenstein is an old restored castle at the end of a
winding narrow mountain road in the middle of nowhere. Parking a short walk
below the castle. Drawbridge and moat. About what you'd expect a smaller
castle to be. Only a restaurant with good wine when I was there last
(1993)-very picturesque and beautiful views of surrounding countryside. Know
nothing about amenities today, but castle hotels are always fascinating and
often expensive. I would guess it's a 30-45 minute drive north east to
Minihof (narrow winding roads). If you want to stay in Minihof, Gasthaus
Hirtenfelder looks good.
Another good bet for you is Bad Gleichenberg (slightly west); many fine
hotels. Old world spa with concerts in the evening, beautiful park like
setting. Many fine restaurants. I like Hotel Pension Allmer; Familie Pfeiler
A8344 Bad Gleichenberg 19. Not expensive and very comfortable. Good pension
meals. Buffet breakfast. Owner presented me with flowers and a bottle of
bubbly on my birthday there. Adds 15 minutes to above time.
Some nice accommodations in Jennersdorf (Hotel Raffel) also.
Tom asks: << My impression is that the Lutheran church and cemetery in Neuhas
serves people from Minihof-Liebau and Tauka, as well. Does it also serve
people from one of your ancestral villages (Eltendorf??) >>
My reply: Neuhaus does have the Lutheran church for M-L and Tauka, but not
for Eltendorf. Eltendorf would be too far north and has its own "Martin
Luther Kirche" (built 1770 on site of much older church) serving that area.
Also Lutheran churches at Muhlgraben, Kukmirn, Stegersbach and elsewhere.
Many Lutherans in southern Burgenland, refugees from when Styria went
completely Catholic. Good gasthaus ("Kirchenwirt" -familie Mirth) across the
street from church in Eltendorf. I'll look forward to receiving a trip report
from you! Regards, Gerry
In a message dated 4/17/00 7:32:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom then writes:
<< There seem to be very few members of BB whose ancestors come from the far
south of Burgenland. >>
My reply: The "far south" (Deep South) means the district of Jennersdorf
which pre 1921 was part of the district of St. Gotthard, Hungary. Not too
many villages in Jennersdorf district and of course Burgenland shrinks east
border to west border as you move south. Many of the villages are (were)
small. The district of Güssing (next district north) had probably the largest
number of emigrants although Poppendorf-Heiligenkreuz in the district of
Jennersdorf lost a larger number percentage wise. See Klaus Gerger's new
village list (hyperlink from the homepage). Using this you can search for
members researching villages near yours by going to the village list. Your
wife might also be interested in reading some of our previous food and wine
articles (check the Roots-L archive index available also by hyperlink from
the homepage). There is a relatively unknown Styrian wine known as Zipfer (a
type of Rose' with traces of spiciness like Gewürztraminer). Be sure to ask
about it when in Styria. Made only south of Graz.
One point-if time allows, by all means visit Güssing. Be sure your wife
checks out the large supermarket east of the city. I think she'll be
surprised at the quantity and quality of food and wine. There is also a
Vinothek (wine tastings) and wine museum at Moschendorf which is worth a
visit. Check opening hours in Güssing at Burgenland Gemeinschaft headquarters.
Following which Tom replies: Gerry, Thanks for the useful information. I
intended to refer to Muhlgraben when I asked it they shared a church with
Neuhaus. I just had an exchange with Audrey Kappel, whose family also came
from Minihof-Liebau. She has not visited either but plans to go in August.
We now have reservations at Schoss Kapfenstein. My wife and I like food and
wine (she is a food writer and food stylist) and the fact that they make wine
at the Schloss adds to the appeal.
We will be happy to give a report when we return. There seem to be very few
members of BB whose ancestors come from the far south of Burgenland. I think
I will write to the woman who wrote recently about her family over the
Slovenian border and you both mentioned the "three corners" where Austria,
Slovenia, and Hungary meet.
TALE OF THE ESTERHAZY IRISH GOVERNESS
I get some interesting queries and some are a little removed from Burgenland
family history. Here is one I think you'll enjoy.
In a message dated 4/19/00, Tony Lynam () writes:
<< My Grandaunt Elizabeth Lynam of Mullingar Co Westmeath Ireland was reputed
to have been a governess to the children in the Palace of Esterhazy circa
1900. I would be very grateful if you could provide me with any information
pertaining to this lady .There may be some reference to her in the palace
archives or in the school or parish records 1895-1905 approx. I have her
diary and a photograph of her together with some local children which may
have been taken in Esterhazy. With kind regards,
My reply: I doubt if such a search would be fruitful. There are any number of
Esterhazy palaces, castles, palatial hunting lodges, palaces in Vienna
(Wallnerstrasse) and Budapest, etc. All were constantly staffed.
Esterhazys were among the wealthiest of the Austro/Hungarian aristocracy
(average annual income 18th Century-600M Florins). Only the Liechtenstein
princes had a larger income (900M Florins). The third most wealthy were the
Batthyany (southern Burgenland) with 450M Florins. The two largest Esterhazy
residences were at Esterhaza (the largest- outside the village of Fertöd just
south of the Neusiedler See and slightly northwest of Kapuvar, Hungary) and
at Eisenstadt, Burgenland, Austria, both open to the public (the family still
maintains apartments at the Schloss in Eisenstadt.)
Some Esterhazy family archives are at Castle Forchtenstein, Burgenland and
Schloss Esterhazy in Eisenstadt, Burgenland. Those at Forchtenstein are not
available to the public. Hungarian Esterhazy records (impounded by the
Hungarian government following WWII) are in the Esterhazy Princely Archive in
the National Archives Budapest. Available to researchers but written in
German, Latin and Hungarian, doubtful if staff names were archived-Esterhazys
had many thousands of servants-but it's hard to say what can be found. Mostly
written in script, translation is for experts.
Does your diary mention any particular places among those I've mentioned?
Does it mention family children by name? Teachers and schooling were also
supplied for children of high ranking servants. The household management was
highly structured with much absentee management.
Two books in English re the Esterhazy family (princes of the Empire from
about 1650-they had the Herrschaft of most of northern Burgenland and vast
portions of western Hungary)-which can provide background are "Haydn-His Life
& Times", Landon, Jones, Indiana Univ. Press, 1988 and "The Landed Estates of
the Esterhazy Princes", Gates-Coon, Johns Hopkins Univ. Press, 1994 (includes
26 page select bibliography).
Suggest you also try normal genealogy channels for data concerning your
ancestor if you haven't already done so. Your possibility of finding anything
would be much better. Lots of Irish records. Try the LDS Family History
Center holdings for the county you've mentioned.
An interesting connection. If the diary contains vignettes of the time, it
would be a valuable source for scholars of the period. G. Berghold, Editor BB
Tony replies with: Many thanks for your informative E- mail of 21 April 2000.
I am sending you the photograph of Elizabeth Lynam with Austrian children
supposedly taken in Vienna circa 1900. This photograph was given to my father
in 1960 by Elizabeth Lynam together with the following information:
1. The lady in the center facing to the right is Elizabeth Lynam.
2. She was governess to Princess Hoyos, one of the children standing at the
back of the photograph.
3. She told my father, Patrick Lynam, that the Princess was a niece of
Prince Rudolf of Mayerling fame.
4. The Christian name Lory was mentioned in her diary.
5. The photograph appears to be of a formal nature - symmetrical spacing of
the girls, the floral arrangements, and both girls holding the same basket of
flowers- all of which would suggest that the subjects in the photograph were
of high rank, there may possibly be a copy of this photograph in some family
archive in Austria.
6. The photographers name, Franz Grainer, together with Royal coats of arms
clearly appears at the bottom of the photograph
7. The names Luschitz and Kulm are mentioned in Elizabeth's diary. She
speaks of the "Countess traveling to Kulm".
8. The river Eger is also mentioned.
9. Elizabeth returned to Ireland circa 1905. One of the children possibly
Lory, maintained correspondence with her for many years after her return to
10.The reference to Esterhazy in my previous E-mail may possibly relate to a
visit to Eisenstadt during her time in Austria.
In conclusion any further information about the photograph would be of great
interest to my father and myself, as I am sure likewise it would be to the
relatives of the seven Austrian children photographed with Elizabeth. I am
going to Innsbruck on holidays in July and it would add an extra dimension
to our holiday to visit a place directly associated with Elizabeth's sojourn
in Austria some one hundred years ago.
It would appear from reading the diary that the name HOYOS is a surname as
there are many references to Lory's mother as Countess Hoyos and their is a
direct reference to "Count Fleury Hoyos coming on a visit to Luschitz". I
believe that the link to Prince Rudolf is likely to be a Hoyos - Hapsburg
link rather than an Esterhazy - Hapsburg link. The girl Lory, as far as I can
ascertain from the diary, may be Princess Lory Hoyos. Her date of birth is
definitely 20-08-1894 as there is a direct reference to her eighth
birthday. There is also reference to Caroline who may have been a sister to
Lory. There are references to the Countess Hoyos traveling to Kulm, Vienna,
Prague, Rome and Karlsbad. The Countess Ledibur, the Countess Neusdorff and
the Schonborn family were regular visitors to the house (Luschitz) where
Elizabeth was governess to the children .The diary states that the Countess,
her daughter Lory and Elizabeth Lynam attended the opera Carmen in the "New
Theatre" on 8th March 1901 .Elizabeth, the Countess and Lory dined in the
Black Horse Hotel in Prague on 25th May 1902. The town Kaaden - possibly
Thaaden- on the river Eger, the place-names Cholielitz and Tschachwitz and
the Richler children, friends of Lory are mentioned many times in the diary.
In 1960 Elizabeth Lynam stated that one of the girls,"the third standing", is
Princess Hoyos, a niece of Prince Rudolf of Mayerling fame and that the place
is Vienna Austria. My father recorded these details, in her presence, on a
sheet of paper which is still attached to the top of the photograph.
If the photograph is of Princess Hoyos a relative of the Hapsburgs, I would
imagine that there must be some reference to a link between the two families.
Is there any reference to the Hoyos family in Vienna or any reference to
houses that they may have owned in Luschitz or Kulm.The spelling of the place
names and some of the family names mentioned may be incorrect as most of the
diary is in script form and difficult to interpret. With sincere thanks for
your continued interest.
To which I reply:
Well the plot thickens. The photo downloaded and it appears it was taken at
Bad Reichenal which has been a spa in Bavaria since the 19th century. Looks
to me like a family vacation or summer residence or clan gathering. The
photographer is designated a "court photographer" so he either went there to
take their picture or had an office in Bad Reichenal.
The Hoyos family were German-Austrians (not Hungarians) very loyal to the
throne. Alexander Count Hoyos (1876-1937) was cabinet chief 1912 to 1917 in
the Ballhausplatz (believe this was the war chancellery at the time-not sure)
and was one of the cabinet who helped precipitate WWI. Following the
assassination at Sarajevo he carried a letter from Emperor Franz Josef to
Kaiser Wilhelm asking him if Germany would support Austria if Austria
attacked Serbia. WWI followed.
So, nothing here which would support the Esterhazy connection and I'm afraid
that I can't help you much more as my forte is the Burgenland and its family
connections, not the myriad connections of the Viennese court, although I do
know a little Austrian history.
I don't know what else to tell you short of suggesting that you look for some
biographies of the families mentioned. As you've already stated, the diary
is full of a lot of visits which do nothing but confuse the issue of where E.
Lynam lived and worked-maybe all of those places mentioned. You have a nice
piece of history and I'd keep it all together. Perhaps some day someone may
wish to use it as source material. Regards, G. Berghold
(end of article-newsletter continues as no. 80B)