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Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 88B dtd Sept. 30, 2000
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:10:40 EDT

(issued monthly by
September 30, 2000

This third section of the 3 section newsletter contains a Correspondence
Caution, Ethnic News From Allentown, "Austrian Music in Lehigh Valley" (an
excerpt from the Allentown Morning Call), meetings of the Austrian American
Society -Pittsburgh, Sacher Torte vs Imperial Torte vs Strudel, notice of a
New Felix Game Article, Czech Website and Member Changes.


We receive a lot of email which does not follow good syntax, etiquette or
common courtesy. These include queries, comments and address/data changes and
requests for membership which do not follow our simple requirements of name,
address and/or data format (see Invitation extract below). Some carry
requests like "send me all the information you have" or "I believe my
ancestor came from Austria, what can you tell me about him?" Some prospective
members receive our Membership Invitation and obviously do not read it since
they don't follow our simple requests. It's also obvious that some members do
not check our laboriously maintained homepage and archives for information.

As a result we're forced to make some changes. In the future, email which
does not include name as well as email address, will be ignored. It is
imperative that we know with whom we are corresponding and we shouldn't be
forced to search for your name. Likewise, questions which are not specific or
which can be answered by our homepage or archives may be ignored. (If you
tell me you checked those sources and can't find what you're looking for,
I'll be glad to help.) If you expect an answer to your email and don't
receive one (some require no answer), look it over and ask yourself if it
meets our requirements. From now on, I plan to use the delete button a lot.

If someone tells you that the BB is no longer as friendly and responsive as
it used to be, you might ask them if they are being good correspondents. Time
can never be so precious that we must forego common courtesy. In mentioning
the BB to prospective members, you might also caution them to follow correct
procedures. Email is popular because it is faster and less demanding to write
than surface mail-but the prime reason for correspondence is the transmittal
of information over distance-if your transmittal isn't understood, you're
wasting everyone's time.

...please contact . Subject "Burgenland Bunch membership".
Furnish (in this order), your name, your email address, your city and state
of residence (we only wish to know where Burgenland immigrant descendants are
living-do not include your street address or phone number), Burgenland family
surnames (IN CAPS) being researched, villages of origin if known and where
emigrants settled. Follow this same format when sending subsequent changes.

Example: John Doe, ; Toledo, OH. SCHMIDT, Güssing. NEUBAUER,
Eltendorf. Settled in Allentown, PA. (data in this example is fictitious)...

Previous newsletters and other information (our archives) may be read or
downloaded from our homepage (see internet addresses at end of this letter).
The rules of the Burgenland Bunch are simple. No dues, no obligations; just
an interest in Burgenland family history and common courtesy... (End of

ETHNIC NEWS FROM ALLENTOWN (from Bob Strauch with our thanks)

O The 22nd Annual Austrian Flag Raising will take place Sunday, October 22,
2000 at the Austrian-Hungarian Veterans Society, 852 N. 4th Street,
Allentown, PA.

12:30 PM Ceremony
1-2 PM Reception-goulash & pastry
2-6 PM Dance w/Schanta Band

The public is invited. Sponsored by the A/H Vet. Soc. and the Burgenländische

O Polka King Joe Weber is the new director of the Coplay Saengerbund Chorus.
Former director Ann Mohr served for forty years. The choir has been in
existence since 1917. Weber has also been director of St. Peter's Catholic
Church Choir since 1972. A Christmas concert is being planned.

O Theresa Panner Zotter, age 103, Lehigh Valley's oldest living
Burgenländerin died in Cedarbrook nursing home, South Whitehall, Aug. 21. The
wife of the late Rudolph Zotter, Sr., she was born 19 Mar. 1897, in Neusiedl
bei Güssing. She emigrated to Allentown in 1922. Prior to moving to the
nursing home when she was 100, she made an apfel strudel before leaving! Bob
Strauch says "one for the road!"

O St. Peter's Lutheran Church (formerly on Ridge Ave., Allentown-now renting
facilities while they plan a new church) held their annual Oktoberfest Aug. 1
in Schnecksville. The congregation of this church has many Burgenländers and
descendants. Your editor was baptized in this church.

O H.E. Bishop Paul Iby, Bishop of Burgenland, who resides in Eisenstadt, will
be in Allentown Oct. 16 prior to visiting Washington and Chicago. He will
hold a mass at Our Lady of Hungary Church in Northampton. Reinhold Fiedler,
mayor of Kukmirn (see previous Kukmirn article)will accompany the group.

Last Minute News Concerning Bishop Iby's Schedule From B. Gemeinschaft:

Saturday, Oct 14, 2000, 6 PM
Passaic, Holy Trinity Church (mass)
get-together in the vicary

Sunday, Oct 15, 2000, 12.30 PM
New York, St. Joseph's Church in Manhattan (mass)
drive to the Caslte Harbour Casino (Bronx) to the harvest-thanksgiving of
the "Bruederschaft der Burgenlaender"

Monday, Oct 16, 2000, 7 PM
Northampton, mass
get-together in the "Liederkranz"

Sunday, Oct 22, 2000, 11 AM
Chicago, St. Bernadette Church (mass)

O Saturday, Oct. 14, the A-H Vets will hold a "Sautanz" (butchering festival
dance) with the Schanta band providing the music and Bob Strauch's Hianzen
Choir singing. Tickets were sold out weeks ago. A pig's carcass is blessed
and then raffled off. Winner gets the pig. Second winner gets the tail! BB
members in the Lehigh Valley should contact the Vets well in advance if
they'd like to attend any of the Vet's functions.

by Sonia Csencsits, The Morning Call
(Following article was previously published in the December 19, 1988, 3rd
Edition, page B03, of the Allentown Morning Call and is copyright by them.
See web site archives for entire article.)

The influence of the American melting pot might bring an end to musical
traditions brought here from Burgenland, Austria, according to Viennese
professor Rudi Pietsch.

Pietsch, a folk music researcher, spent several months in the Lehigh Valley
interviewing musicians and their audiences for a doctoral thesis he is doing
to complete the requirements for a full professorship at the Institute for
Folk Music Research of the Vienna Academy of Music, where he is an assistant

In his thesis, ''Documentation on the Music of Former Burgenlanders Who
Immigrated to the United States, Especially to the Lehigh Valley,'' he notes
there are many bands here, but they often play to older audiences. ''The
typical consumers of this music are really old,'' he says. ''I think the
music has 10 or 15 years more,'' he said, because there are a few young
musicians who still play it. ''Then we will see what happens.''

The problem, he believes, is that the young generation is not attuned to the
music. In Austria, thousands of musicians play the traditional music for
tourists and, more important, for themselves. ''There is a kind of revival in
Austria and it is very, very alive. In America, I did not see such a
revival,'' said Pietsch, 37.

It is difficult to describe this music, he said. It has melodies of two or
more interchanging parts, is performed by small groups who improvise during
performances and is passed on through what he describes as word of mouth. The
button box accordion and violin are important to it, he says.

''My job is to distinguish between German and Austrian, Polish and Czech. I
have interviewed more than 120 players. There are about 20 bands in this
area, and about 15 of them play the music of Burgenland.''

Another important part of Pietsch's research is the interviews with
audiences. ''It is a very important aspect to ask people who go why they go
to hear the bands. Most of them are old, but there are some young also. But
the young like television. They like rock music more than the traditional.
There is no question about that.''

He began his research in the southern part of Burgenland. ''I went there and
spoke to people about the music,'' he says. ''I learned that half the people
who immigrated to America were musicians.'' He also learned about the Schanta
family, with whom he stayed in Coplay. The family band has performed since
1957 under the direction of Emil Schanta Sr.
Pietsch said the Schanta band plays Viennese waltz music with violins. ''This
is a very typical phenomenon of how they adapt music so they can play it.
When the Viennese Philharmonic plays the waltz, there are more than 60 people
playing. The Schanta band has five people. The conversion of the music is a
natural talent of Mr. Schanta. It is his own arrangement. He is good. He is
very good,'' Pietsch said.
Another local band, The Happy Austrians, plays the Styrian Laendler. ''That
song is 200 years old,'' he said.

''I went to visit bands, to hear them and to talk to them. I did not (tape)
record only the best. I recorded every one. That is a very important aspect
of the work: to find out how important the button box is, to know all aspects
of this music,'' he said.

He also interviewed band members, and even sat in with bands. ''It was more
of a joke. They asked me to play and I did.''
Most of the members ''are amateurs. They have other jobs,'' he said, and
added, ''Most of the button box players . . . are kitchen players. They do it
for fun. This is very important. To do something like this, to play the
music, not to watch television, is a very important part of life. It is
important to the culture.''

Austrians also settled in Chicago and New York, and Pietsch spent time in
those areas. But, he said, ''The finest area to work is this area.
Northampton, Nazareth and Coplay have a lot of Burgenlanders. Whitehall and
Ironton, too, have Burgenlanders.

Pietsch plays violin, trumpet, piano and bass fiddle. His band, the
''Tanzgeiger,'' is a traditional one. It was here for a five-week tour in
1986, and performed for President Reagan and at the Smithsonian Institution,
as well as in Nazareth, in Utah, Colorado, Texas and Georgia....
- I like music that has roots, background and tradition. I also like
barbershop music,'' he said. ''I like to play with rules.'' (end of extract)

(Ed. Note-various BB members are helping keep this music alive in the US. See
previous newsletter articles by Tom Glatz, Bobby Strauch, Al Meixner and

A Fall Brunch and Lecture will be held Sunday, Oct. 1, 2000 at the University
Club, 123 University Place, Oakland, Pittsburgh at 12:15 PM. Speaker will be
Dr. Reinhard Heinisch, Asst Prof. Of Political Science & Director of
International Studies at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown. "Sunday
Brunch @ $19/person. Reservations George Mandl (412) 364-0146.

Election Meeting and Wine Tasting to be held Thursday, November 16, 2000
-7:30 p. m. Knights of Columbus Hall in Crafton.

SACHERTORTE VS IMPERIALTORTE VS STRUDEL (suggested by a gift from Albert and
Inge Schuch)

Having recently returned from France, I can tell you that I ate a lot of
pastry. It was all tasty but not on a par with Austrian pastry. I felt the
same way about Italian pastry a few years ago. My wife doesn't agree, she
feels Italian is still the best (something called "tiramisu." So it goes, we
all have our preferences.

During the days of the Empire if you were a craftsman, a sure way to success
was to attract the Emperor's attention with a superior product. If he
expressed satisfaction with it, the entire aristocracy would follow suit. A
little like the way sports corporations go after the sport champions, getting
them to endorse their products. The English and other remaining monarchies
also still have their "purveyors to the crown." Thus we have "Kaiser this"
and "Kaiser that" in case you wondered.

In 1832, so one story goes, a Viennese master sugar baker (a pastry chef
-Konditor- as opposed to a bread baker -Bäcker) called Franz Sacher invented
a cake to attract the attention of Prinz Klemens von Metternich. It was a
round chocolate sponge cake filled or layered with apricot jam and covered
with a firm glaze. Eating a piece is a must experience for all of those
visiting Vienna for the first time. It's a tradition. Had Metternich been
lucky he'd be memorialized by the name "Metternichtorte", this name never
caught on, but "Sachertorte" did. The Sacher family went on to operate
Sacher's Hotel in Vienna-now priced out of existence except for contracting
plumbers, prince-bishops or those on Fortune 500 expense accounts. Walter
Cronkite stays there when he hosts the New Year Gala. Nonetheless, one can
eat a piece of Sachertorte in the hotel tearoom with a cup of coffee (mit
schlag) without mortgaging the farm (although you may have to go without
dinner to afford it, you won't lose out calorie wise). I find it to be like
any good chocolate cake, the Betty Crocker mix used by my wife makes a cake
just as good but it has no historical association. I like apricot jam used
between layers but the wife tells me I don't need all that extra sugar. My
grandmother always used jam between her layer cakes, added something extra
special and kept them moist.

The Emperor Franz Josef enjoyed pastry as much as I do-it's said he ate
Danish pastry "Plundergebäck" every morning and "Kugelhupf" every day,
supplied some say by his mistress, the actress Katharina Schratt. Some also
say she was just a platonic friend whose company and conversation he enjoyed.
She kept him apprised of the local gossip. Either way he visited her every
morning and they shared some pastry and coffee. He may even have had a bread
roll named after him, the little rolls called "Kaisersemmeln" which readily
break into 5 or 6 sections without crumbs. The accepted Viennese bread for a
dinner party.

In 1873, Emperor Franz Josef was to visit the first royal palace hotel to be
built on the Ringstrasse. It was to bear the name "k. u. k. Hof-Hotel
Imperial. Its first visitors were to be guests of the Emperor. A "new" torte
was in order and all of the best cooks of the monarchy assembled to perform
their magic, conjuring up magnificent cakes fit for a king in a fairy tale. A
pot and pan scrubber by the name of Xaver Loibner longed to produce his own
specialty but he was restricted to the pots and pans. It is said that during
the night, unable to sleep, he went to the kitchen and created his
masterpiece-a chocolate torte layered with jam, encased in almond paste
(marzipan), covered with glazed chocolate bearing the imperial eagle in

The next day the Emperor passed along rows of cakes, made just for this
occasion. He spotted the Habsburg crest, stopped in front of Loibner's
creation and pointed to it. He ate a piece and supposedly said "das war sehr
gute" -that was very good. Loibner's fortune was made. From then on the
"Imperial Torte, as the Emperor is said to have called it, was reserved for

Now, in his memory, it is again being baked at the same Hotel Imperial
(another hotel for plumbing contractors and those with money) and can be
mailed all over the world. My good friends Albert and Inge Schuch treated me
like an Emperor and sent me one for my birthday. Like the Emperor, I can only
say "es war sehr gute" (and better than the Sachertorte)! It arrived in a
wooden presentation box with red ribbon and the Imperial Seal. A gift to be
treasured and remembered. Fit for a king.

When we first went to Austria in 1974, we spent a few days in Vienna. One
evening, our children were not interested in going to Grinzing to watch us
drink wine, so we left them in the hotel with money and instructions to eat
in the dining room of the Hotel deFrance. They slipped out to the Ringstrasse
instead, went to a nearby "würstel" stand owner who called himself "Der
Kleiner Sacher" and bought sausages and bread which they took back to their
room to eat. They acted like true descendants of the Burgenland, to enjoy
wurst and brot over Viennese cooking. On a later trip, I passed up a piece of
Sachertorte in favor of apfel strudel. I must now consider whether I will
accept Imperial Torte over strudel. Maybe a piece of each! Although my
Burgenland ancestors probably never tasted either torte, they made it
possible for me to enjoy what was once reserved only for the Emperor. I even
ate the Imperial Eagle.


Hi Gerry, Just to let you know that I have added a new article and it may be
of interest to your readers. In it I am introducing the concept of art
appreciation as a family history research tool.

The URL for this page:


The Austro/Hungarian Empire covered a lot of territory and we often get
queries concerning the outer regions, beyond our coverage area. Slowly,
genealogical sites are responding to the needs of micro-genealogy and
providing other BB type sites. Here's one for those who may have Czech

From: (ETM)
I received your fantastic newsletter as a result of my PML search. It is
absolutely terrific. Would you be interested in giving the Czech-L list a
mention? Our website is at:


The CZECH-L Mailing List is an e-mail list for genealogical research for
those interested in the past and present territories of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire including the Czech Republic, Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia and border

To subscribe, send one word, subscribe, to:
(for individual messages)
(for a digest of multiple messages)

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Kim DiRoberts, (), Phoenix, AZ. HUTTER (Herman, born
11/28/1897 & Theresia ARTINGER HUTTER born 10/12/1901). Herman's parents
Josef HUTTER & Julia SOMMER HUTTER. Theresia's parents (?) Josef ARTINGER
of Gussing at Tschanigraben 36, Neustift bei Gussing, Austria. They came to
USA via ship Bremen or Republic on 12/10/29 or 7/1930. They settled in
Allentown, PA and New York City Area. Herman burried @ Tschanigraben.

Joyce Goldthorpe, (); Grand Forks, B.C. Canada.
Researching Rosenkranz, Hopitson / Hoponson / Hopenson, Potzman, Botzman.
Johann (John) Rosenkranz - Bocksdorf to America 1901 Tower City, North
Dakota, 1905 - 1906 to Carmangay, Alberta, Canada.

Jeffrey R. Gourley, (); Lakehurst, NJ. Grandfather and
Grandmother both came from Moschendorf. Their name was LUISSER, and my
Grandmother's maiden name was GASPER. They immigrated to America in 1921.

Sandra Hoffmeister, (); Frankfort, IL. PANI, St. Michael.
ERTLER, St. Michael. HODOLITZ? CINZ? Settled in Chicago, IL.

Patricia (Stoisits) Hollenbach; (); Coplay, PA.
STOISITS-HAMMEL, Güssing; FASSMAN(N), Kohfidisch

William G. Kramer; (); Tampa,FL. KRAMMER, Antonius(DOB 1882),
Neuberg (Ujhegy). IVANCSICS,Elizabeth(DOB 1887)Neuberg settled in Chicago Il.

Robert Kurz, (), Turnersville, NJ. KURZ/KURTZ, Tobaj.
KRAMER/KRAMMER, Szentpeterfa area. Settled in NYC and New Jersey.

Lorenz Mileder jun. , (); Wil SG Switzerland ,
MILEDER(i), My Father was born at Kleinmutschen near Oberpullendorf.

Julia Wieber; (), St. Johns, Michigan. BEISCHLER (or
BEICHLER) and UNGAR (UNGER?). Deutsch-Schützen. Settled in Cleveland, Ohio.

Our new e mail address is: Judy & Jim

My email address has changed. from to
Betty Presseller Mische

Hi, Please change my email to: .
My previous email was
I look forward to hearing more about the Burgenland descendants--I have
learned so much already! Heidi Raab

Karyn Rammer
Old Email --
New Email --
Thank you - it's a wonderful newsletter!

From: (Pat Screpetis)
Please note my new e-mail address.

Please change my e-mail address for Lynette Wolf from to


The following addresses had permanent fatal errors:


BURGENLAND BUNCH STAFF Coordinator & Editor Newsletter>
(Gerald J. Berghold; Winchester, VA )
Burgenland Editor> (Albert Schuch; Vienna &
Kleinpetersdorf, Austria)
Home Page Editor> (Hap Anderson)
Internet/URL Editor> (Anna Tanczos Kresh; Butler,PA)

Contributing Editors:
Austro/Hungarian Research> (Fritz Königshofer)
Burgenland Co-Editor> (Klaus Gerger, Austria)
Burgenland Lake Corner Research> (Dale Knebel)
Chicago Burgenland Enclave> (Tom Glatz)
Croatian Burgenland> (Frank Teklits)
Home Page village lists> (Bill Rudy)
Home Page surname lists> (Tom Steichen)
Judaic Burgenland> (Maureen Tighe-Brown)
Western Hungary-Bakony Region> (Ernest Chrisbacher)
Western US BB Members-Research> (Bob Unger)
WorldGenWeb -Austria, RootsWeb Liason-Burgenland > (Charles
Wardell, Austria)

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