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THE BURGENLAND BUNCH NEWS -No. 90B
DEDICATED TO AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN BURGENLAND FAMILY HISTORY
(now issued monthly by
November 30, 2000

READ FIRST
* Look for the prototype of the English language version of the
Burgenländische Gemeinschaft (BG) Web Site & Newsletter which is available
now in a German version at http://go.to/BG. The English version of the site
is being brought to us via the efforts of Klaus Gerger, Albert Schuch and
Inge Schuch. The BG Newsletter is edited by BG president Dr. Walter
Dujmovits, printed in German and sent to BG members throughout the world. We
have often hoped for an English version and this site will bring you selected
articles translated into English. Our profound thanks to those involved in
this project.

* The often quoted book "Die Amerika Wanderung der Burgenländer" by Dr.
Walter Dujmovits is available from Burgenländische Gemeinschaft, Hauptplatz
7, 7540 Güssing, Austria. Cost is $22 US postpaid surface mail or $28 US
airmail. Order via airmail and pay by personal check if desired. Only a
German language edition is available.


This third section of the 3 section newsletter contains How To Change Your
Listing, Early Protestant and Counter-Reformation Literature, Jandrisits
Request From Vienna, Oslip Village History, New Book in English-"Burgenland
Panorama" and Member Changes.


HOW TO CHANGE YOUR LISTING

Surname Editor Tom Steichen recently canvassed members asking them to verify
the data listed with us. We received numerous changes. Those changes were
sent in every conceivable manner (see "Member Changes"). If you've ever
maintained membership lists, you know the trouble this causes. It can be
difficult to know exactly what someone wants to change. In the future, WHEN
MAKING CHANGES, PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING:

GO TO THE HOMEPAGE

CLICK ON MEMBER LIST

SEARCH FOR YOUR NAME-COPY YOUR DATA LISTING

PASTE IT TO AN EMAIL ADDRESSED TO COM

REPEAT YOUR LISTING MAKING THE CHANGES YOU DESIRE-label "NEW"

IN SUBJECT AREA OF EMAIL-ENTER "BB-MEMBER CHANGE"

SEND THE EMAIL

***CHANGES SENT IN ANY OTHER WAY MAY NOT BE PROCESSED***


EARLY PROTESTANT AND COUNTER-REFORMATION LITERATURE (From: Fritz Königshofer)

(ED. Note: We are very interested in the origins of the people who settled in
what became the Burgenland. We have some very good Croatian and Hungarian
sources, but the movement of Protestant refugees from the Counter-reformation
has been neglected. We do know that there was movement of Lutherans to
southern Burgenland as well as to the Lake District, since these areas still
have sizeble Lutheran congregations. In the event anyone should research
these sources, please advise us of your findings.)

Fritz writes:

When in Austria I looked through the 1999 issue of Carinthia I, the annual
publication of the Geschichtsverein für Kärnten (Historical Association of
Carinthia), I noted a paper dealing with protestantism in Austria. More
interesting for you than this particular paper itself might be what I found
in the paper's biography. However, I did not have the time to locate and
read any of these books or articles, but am passing the information to you in
case an appropriate time comes where this subject can be pursued. I am of
course referring to possible data on protestant settlement in southern
Burgenland.

These are the books and articles from this bibliography which appear
to have promising titles:

Raupach, Bernhard: "Evangelisches Österreich" (or Presbyteriologia
Austriaca), in 4 volumes, Hamburg 1732, 1736, 1740 and 1741.

G. E. Waldau: "Geschichte des Protestantismus in Österreich,
Steiermark, Kärnten und Krain vom Jahre 1510 bis in die neueste Zeit"
(History of protestantism in Austria, Styria, Carinthia and Carniola from
1510 till the latest time), 2 volumes, Anspach 1784.

Robitsch, Mathias: "Die Geschichte des Protestantismus in der
Steiermark" (The History of Protestantism in Styria), Graz 1865 (apparently a
book with an anti-protestant bias).

Various books about reformation and counterreformation in
Innerösterreich (i.e., the region including Styria) by authors Franz Martin
Mayer, Jeremias Homberger, and Johann Loserth, all published around 1900.

Loesche, Georg: "Die Geschichte des Protestantismus im vormaligen und
im neuen Österreich" (The History of Protestantism in the previous and the
current Austria), Wien-Leipzig, 1930.

Schuster, Leopold: "Fürstbischof Martin Brenner; ein Charakterbild
aus der steirischen Reformationsgeschichte" (Prince-bishop Martin Brenner; a
character portrait from the history of the reformation in Styria),
Graz-Leipzig 1898 (probably on the persecution of Lutherans during the
counterreformation, therefore of special potential interest regarding
possible emigrees from Styria).

Ilwolf, Franz: "Der Protestantismus in Steiermark, Kärnten und Krain
vom 16. Jahrhundert bis in die Gegenwart" (The protestantism in Styria,
Carinthia and Carniola, from the 16th century till the latest time), Graz,
1900.

Brunner, Walter: "Glaubenstreu im Untergrund; die Bewahrer des
evangelischen Glaubens in der Steiermark 1600 - 1781" (Faithful to your
beliefs in the underground; the people who kept to the protestant religion in
Styria 1600 - 1781), Zeitschrift des Historischen Vereins Steiermark 85
(1994), p. 7 ff.

As you can see, nothing refers directly to Western Hungary or (after
1920) the Burgenland, but one would of course need to see the books and
papers.



JANDRISITS REQUEST FROM VIENNA (From: (witz)

This is Theresia Andruchowitz from the FHL-Center of Vienna. I need your help
!!!! Yesterday a man with the name Alois Novoszel from Rauchwart came to our
Library and asked for help.

Alois NOVOSZEL was born 7 Nov 1930 in Rauchwart 119. His father was Josef
Novoszel, born 3 Mar 1897, his mother Maria Ehrenhöfler, born 12 Nov 1896.

HE would like to find his "Taufpaten" (GOD-FATHER) ALOIS JANDRISITS. Alois
was born around 1900 in Rauchwart, after the First War (1. Weltkrieg)he
immigrated to NORTHHAMPTON, PA. He had 1 son named Ludwig, 5 or 6 daughters,
named Johanna, Maria, Brigitta, Paulin, Anna, Gitti ? They all were born in
the States. 1 grandson was a "Soldat" in Vienna (he came with his family and
wanted to visit Alois Novoszel in Burgenland). Ludwig Jandrisits came for a
visit in Rauchwart in 1960 and stayed with Familie Marinkovits.

I looked for Jandrisits in our Ancestral file yesterday and found you as a
submitter.

Is there any chance to find something out about Alois Jandrisits and his
family-members through the Burgenland-Bunch-E-mail-group ???? Alois Novoszel
is a very typical Burgenländer and heard a lot about meetings from
American-Burgenländer. And he would be so happy to hear about this family. He
showed me pictures of all this searching persons.

Thank you very much for your help. By the way, when we looked through my
collected names from the area Mischendorf, Alois Novoszel and I are somehow
related !!!!His mother, Maria Ehrenhöfler, comes from Mischendorf.

Thanks again and many greetings from Vienna. Theresia


OSLIP VILLAGE HISTORY (from Bruce Klemens)

(ED. Note: Oslip is in the district of Eisenstadt, just west of Rust near the
Hungarian border. We have a number of members researching this area. The
following may be of interest, although I've been told most Oslip researchers
have been contacted. Village histories are of great interest to us since they
often contain data unavailable anywhere else. See our archives for mention of
other village histories.)

From: (Klemens, Bruce H)

TO: SONS & DAUGHTERS OF OSLIP (Steve von Hitritz, Traci Niklas, Bob Tratz,
Aaron Zemlock)

Below is a message I just received from my cousin Anna Odorfer in Eisenstadt,
via her daughter Maria's email. As you can see, she says there are more
copies of History of Oslip Book available. I looked up the exchange rate and
as of today, 600 schillings is $36.98 which includes the
book and postage. May I suggest we round up to Forty Dollars to account for
any fluctuations in the exchange rate and to take care of any miscellaneous
expenses Anna may have. At any rate, DON'T SEND ME MONEY RIGHT NOW but do
let me know if you definitely want the book. I will then touch base with
Anna and figure out the best way to send the money to her. Then I'll get
back to you and you can send me the money.


-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Leeb-Odorfer

I am very surprised that you received the book so fast! Very happy you like
it! My letter is on its way and you might get it next week. I talked to the
secretary (Gemeindeamt) in Oslip today and she told me that there are still
books available.

Bruce then writes: Gerry, just to clue you in, the book I am referring to in
my other email of today, is a "History of Oslip" book written in
commemoration of Oslip's 700th anniversary this year. I knew it was being
written but I figured it would be some rather small book, maybe even a
paperback booklet. Instead, it's 432 page "coffee table" book,
professionally done!!! There is so much information, I literally got a
headache the first day I had the book, trying to assimilate it all, which was
impossible. There are also a lot of photos.

It's half in German and half in Croatian. For the most part the chapters are
duplicated in the two languages, but not all. For example there is a chapter
listing all the names in various Urbars, censuses and maybe obituary lists
from 1515 to 1999. (Only last names, though, which is maddening!)
But this chapter is only in Croatian. So the various lists are not so easy
to figure out what is what. I am going to have to get a Croatian dictionary.
Regardless, I have learned from this chapter that there was no Klemensich
family in the 1527 Urbar, but they first appear in the next
Urbar (1569) and every Urbar thereafter. The first Pfaflmayr appears in 1725.
The first Zemljak appears in 1766.

Another extremely interesting chapter is about the emigration to America. It
lists every Oslip emigrant (fortunately with first AND last names) who left
between 1907 and the present. My grandfather's name is there. There is one
name each for 1848, 1856, and 1906 but nothing else before 1907. I assume
there must have been more emigrants during that period but I guess the data
was unavailable. I've learned from this chapter that in 1923 a lot of people
from Oslip left for South America.

I had hoped there would be new information regarding exactly where in Croatia
they originally came from, but it is basically the same stuff we already
know. Nothing specific.

I'm not trying to sell additional copies via the Burgenland Bunch...the "Sons
& Daughters of Oslip" have already received my email directly and will
probably reply before the next issue is out. Just thought you'd like to know
about this wonderful book.



BURGENLAND PANORAMA - NEW BOOK IN ENGLISH
From: (Gerhard H. Lang-Eisenstadt, Austria)

I hope I'll be just in time with that news for the next BB-Newsletter:

Today I was handed a new book concerning Burgenland. It was written by Dr.
Günter Stefanits with photos from Mag. Georg Gesellmann. It was a lucky
chance, our entire family decided last September to learn the Hungarian
language in our local "House of Economy" where they offer such courses. Today
the house was crowded late in the evening and after the class I met a friend
of mine, standing at the buffet. He informed me that he was invited to the
presentation of the book "Burgenland Panorama" and showed me his copy. The
book is available in German or in English, with a foreword by the
Austrian President Thomas Klestil for the German version; the foreword for
the English version was written by the American ambassadress in Austria. The
book is a cross-section through Burgenland, containing data of history,
people, culture, music, religion, economy .... An extra part has a short
description of each of Burgenland's villages and towns with a few photos.

I had the chance to talk to Dr. Günter Stefanits and he gave me a German copy
of his book and I promised him to inform our members of BB. The book is
directly available at
Landesschulrat Burgenland
Kernausteig 3
7000 Eisenstadt
Austria

Email:
The price will be ATS 590,-- not including postage.

I thought the book could be a nice X-mas present for BB-members and friends
of the Burgenland. (ED. Note: we are attempting to get a US dollar postpaid
price and arrange for payment by personal check-more later.)


MEMBER CHANGES

NEW
Theresa Andrews, ( ); Southgate, MI; WUKITSH
(Wukitsch)(Wukitch), WUKITSEVITS, WUKITS, LUKITSCH, RIECHL; village of
Heugraben,Stegersbach; settled PA, MI, St Louis, MO

Kathy Lang Buirge (), Palmer, Alaska. Searching for
relatives of paternal grandfather John LANG , maternal g-grandfather Joseph
Lang in Halbturn; mg-grandmother Elizabeth LENDWAY, and pg-grandmother
Catharina LEEB in Tadten; pgrandmother Anna FRUHWIRTH in St. Andra. Lang and
Fruhwirth (MICHALITSCH) settled in St. Paul, MN.

Maree-Lou Dimbokovits, , Wairoa HB New Zealand, DIMBOKOVITS,
Neumarket im Taunchetal, FLASCH, Rumpersdorf, KARLOVICS, Rumpersdorf,
CZARTLER, Monchmeierhof. Settled in Wairoa New Zealand.(villages are in
district of Oberwart)

Derek Frantists ( ); Hamilton Ontario Canada;
researching FRANTSITS; Unterwart Burgenland; Settled Hamilton Canada.

Tibor Föthmann; ( ); Miami FL. Names I am
researching from Burgenland CZIPF, ZIFF, PÖLTL, STOLCZ, STOLZ, HÜLL,
BITTMANN,SÜLD, BÖHM, BAUMANN, GANTZ, WÖERNER, WERNER, BUCHNER, GAAL, GAÁL,
GÁL, GÁLA, GÁLYA.

Paul Klucsarits. ( ); Williamstown, NJ. Researching
KLUCSARITS, YANDRASITS, KLUCHARICH, MARX, PETROSOVITZ. Family from
Grossmurbisch, Austria. Most of my family immigrated to Coplay, Pa.

Louise Barth Kunsman, ( ); Catasauqua PA. SOMMER,Oberradling.

Sascha Maurus, ( ); Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. Maria MAYERHOFER,
Wörtherberg, (district of Güssing). VOGEL (?).

Joseph M. Poell; ( ); Belleville,IL. PÖLL, LEHNER;
Kitzladen--Pinkafeld---Loipersdorf.

Luisa Reichardt; ( ); East Moriches, NY. Theresa
YANNY, JANY, JANI; Poppendorf. She came to the U.S. in 1922 and settled in
Queens, NY. Sister, Cecelia KOPPEL In NY, she married John REICHARD, also
from Austria.

Carol Tomkiewicz; ( ); Long Island City, NY. KERBACHER,
Kirchfidisch. Settled: Astoria/Long Island City, NY


CHANGE
(Geshel, Robert)
Keschl is the correct spelling, whether written in German or Hungarian, that
I found in all the records in Austria. I did find at least three instances
were different priests, of German nationality, used the true German spelling
of Göschl. These additional spellings can also be considered correct.
Geshel, Geschl, Geschel, Goeschl. Grandmother: There are two
spellings...Magdits and Magditsch.

Pat Harmon; (); Griffin, GA. DULD, FLAMISCH, DAMHOESEL,
Kukmirn. Settled in Allentown, Pa. New address:

>From Margaret Kaiser. Please change my BB email address to:
; old was ).
My town of residence is Northvale, NJ. Add the following to the search list?
Searching SPIRK, TZOTRER in Eltendorf.

From: joe liebezeit[SMTP:]
Please add a surname I am researching to the "Burgenland Bunch members"
webpage. The surname is: GESCHEL.

Change my email address from to .
My name is in your surname file with Gossi (Gossy)/Schlagel from Burg
(Hannersdorf) to Chicago and Pratl/Reimer from Grafenschachen to Chicago.


FOLLOWING WERE SENT BY TOM STEICHEN
My name is Emma Murray and I am informing you that I have changed my e-mail
to , Old address was

Sandra Hoffmeister, Frankfort, IL. PANI/PANNY, St. Michael.
TOMASITS, St. Michael. ERTLER, Rohrbach, Tudersdorf, St. Michael. OSWALD,
Rohrbach, Tudersdorf, St. Michael. PANI/PANNY settled in Chicago, IL. in
1913. (new Surnames)

Cathy Bourner-My new e-mail address is
Old address:

Kurt F. J. Heinrich Please add name: Klepeis

Traupmann, Edmund <>
* We recently moved. Our new address is: Flemington, NJ

Formerly Michelle Belusar, add new email address, new last name. Entry now
is: Michelle Zoncick; (), Santa Clara, CA.
ZONCSICH, SCHATOVICH, TESCH, PRIKOSOVITS, and BILLISICH;
Frank Zoncsich and Sidonia Schatovich were born in Unterpullendorf-Alsopulya
(Central Burgenland) and emigrated to South Bend, IN in the early 1900s.

Béla Turcsányi
add to entry: Pusztavám and Lajoskomárom in Hungary

Doug Cordova-new e-mail address is < >
old was New snail-mail address: Montgomery, AL.

Marlene Tschida Bryan <>
add to Tschida surname search: Descendants of Simon Tschida, born 1753
Apetlon, died November 1830 Apetlon; married to Susanna Lang, born perhaps in
1755, died 18 Oct 1832, Apetlon.

Dr. Stephen R. von Hitritz
change email address to < >
old address ()
Also, under surnames: Pfaffelmeyer and Hidretz, change village from
Eisenstadt and Bruck ad Mer to Eisenstadt and Oslip.


From: "Carol Blakesley" change my e-mail address.

From: (George & Gail Heeres)
New E-mail change from

Sender:
Please change my name to "Suzanne Geosits Mund" (previously listed as Suzanne
Geosits), and remove the "Eberau area (?)" under village/parish listing for
"geosits" and "jurasits" surname listings.


Update my information-add new surnames.
Susan Knight (); Cincinnati, OH. LANG and WEBER in
Deutsch Tschantschendorf, near Gussing. Theresa Lang settled in Cincinnati,
OH in the early 1900's. Please *add* : GSTAETTNER/STAETTNER, WAGNER,
MAJKISS/MAIKISS - all in Deutsch Tschantschendorf.


CANCEL (from Tom Steichen)

Diana Sullo; (); East Haddam, CT. KNAUS, JUDD; Muhlgraben.
RUCK, Minihof Liebau.

DELIVERY PROBLEMS
In attempting to distribute newsletters, the following addresses had
permanent fatal errors -----




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END OF NEWSLETTER

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Internet/URL Editor> (Anna Tanczos Kresh; Butler,PA)

Contributing Editors:
Austro/Hungarian Research> (Fritz Königshofer)
Burgenland Co-Editor> (Klaus Gerger, Austria)
Burgenland Lake Corner Research> (Dale Knebel)
Chicago Burgenland Enclave> (Tom Glatz)
Croatian Burgenland> (Frank Teklits)
Home Page village lists> (Bill Rudy)
Home Page surname lists> (Tom Steichen)
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Western Hungary-Bakony Region> (Ernest Chrisbacher)
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Wardell, Austria)


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