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Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 95 dtd April 30, 2001
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:49:49 EDT

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This first section of the four section newsletter includes:

* Burgenland Emigrant Rail Travel
* Districts of Vienna
* Virus Warnings and Other Hoaxes
* New York Area German Reference Books
* Plea for Immigrant Stories (Auswandererschicksal)
* Riot in Schattendorf
* Kleinm=FCrbisch Records-G=FCssing District
* See Continuation of Rose Marie Duld Diary (Visit) at 95A
* See Continuation of "First Immigrants" at 95B
* See Ellis Island Record Article at 95C


I know most of the story of my grandfather Alois Sorger's emigration from th=
G=FCssing area. He was born in Rosenberg-G=FCssing, went to school there and=
worked in his father's pottery. At some point he apprenticed as a bricklayer=
but from that time until he emigrated to the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania,=20=
know least of all. He told me he disliked working in the pottery-his father=20
had many children (10 from 3 wives-2 wives died in childbirth) and was a har=
taskmaster. They all worked in the pottery from an early age. His Grandfathe=
Sorger also worked there and a great grandfather died at that address while=20
Alois was growing up. I often wondered how so many people could live in one=20
house (Rosenberg No. 225) until I found out it had been a gasthaus at one=20
time, now in considerable disrepair. I assume the apprenticeship was local=20
and at some point he went to the Szombathely area as a journeyman on=20
construction jobs. There he met friend Stefan Mankos with whom he emigrated.=
They became lifelong neighbors in Allentown. Their Ellis Island entry cards=20
show Egyhazas, Hungary as their point of departure. I assumed for years this=
was the last place they lived and worked in Burgenland, not so.

I recently was involved in a thread on the WGW Query Board. The subject=20
included possible routes to the ports of departure in Germany. I had occasio=
to research the existing rail lines from the Burgenland and what did I find=20
but that at the time of his departure (1901) Egyhazas (now Egyhazas-Radoc,=20
Hungary) was on the Kormend-Budapest-Vienna line north and was the closest=20
railroad station to G=FCssing. In 1901 this was still all in Hungary, so it=20
made sense that G=FCssing area emigrants would leave from there. I had assum=
he left from Jennersdorf or Kormend.

So, if you are using data from those ship lists or entry cards for village o=
origin, they may be misleading. They may show the place where your ancestors=
boarded a train. I think we can establish the following travel patterns from=

Emigrants would not cross a border until or unless they had to. It could cos=
money to cross a border and there were other problems and requirements=20
involved like customs, permits, visas, etc. Although Austria and Hungary had=
formed the Dual Monarchy-customs duties and permits were still often require=
to cross the respective borders.

Emigrants would tend to use Hungarian rail service as far as possible. This=20
would mean going to Budapest (if necessary) or to =D6denburg via Steinamange=
and then on to Vienna for the first border crossing, probably at=20
Wiener-Neustadt or Neustadt as it was then called. Leaving Vienna, the next=20
crossing would most likely be Passau, Germany (on the Danube) and then on to=
Bremen or Hamburg. Train service from Vienna could be either=20
Vienna-Linz-Salzburg-Munich or Vienna-Linz Wels-Passau-Nuremburg. There was=20
also river steamer passage from Budapest to Passau via Vienna (9 to 18 hours=
from Vienna, overnight plus from Budapest). During periods of plague, border=
crossings would be sealed and emigrants could not support themselves for too=
long a period of time waiting for the border to open. In addition, emigrants=
had to show that they had enough money so that they wouldn't become a burden=
Border crossings were thus traumatic for many.

If you'd like to try to work out your ancestor's possible route, you might=20
check the following dates of rail network completion and then look for the=20
stations nearest your village of origin:

1846-Vienna to Bruck
1850-Vienna to =D6denburg (Gyor) and Steinamanger via Mattersburg
1850-Kormend to Steinamanger (Sombathely)-north east (Hungarian route)
1856-Bruck to Budapest
1871-Vienna to Neufeld-Wiener-Neustadt
1873-Jennersdorf to Kormend via St. Gotthard
1883-1910-Grosspetersdorf to Aspang via Oberwart
1899-G=FCssing to Kormend
1910-Connections from Jennersdorf to Vienna via Hartberg north-west (Austria=

Many if not all emigrants had considerable baggage (steamer trunks) so rail=20
would have been favored. Their route may also have been what their all=20
inclusive ticket may have shown if they had such (available in later periods=

In 1900, the route Budapest, Hungary to Graz, Austria (8-10 hours) went=20
through the following stations: Budapest, Raab, Steinamangar, Kis Unyon,=20
Egyhhazas-Radoc, Kormend, Szt. Gotthard, Jennersdorf-Gyanafalva (last=20
Hungarian station), Fehring (first Austrian station), Hartberg, Feldbach,=20
Studenzen, Graz. There were also local stops serving aristocratic estates.=20
Not sure if they could be flagged for emigrants.

The route Vienna, Austria to Mohacs, Hungary (16.5 hours) went through=20
Vienna, Neustadt (border) Lajta-Szent Miklos, Mattersdorf, Oedenburg,=20
Steinamanger, (branch line to G=FCns), Vasvar-Eisenburg, Nagy-Kanizsa,=20
F=FCnfkirchen, Mohacs.=20

The route Vienna to Budapest (4-8.5 hours) went through Vienna, Stadlau,=20
Marchegg, Pressburg (Bratislava) Tot Megyer, Neuhausel, Parkany-Nana,=20
Wiatzen, Budapest.

Sources consulted: The Habsburg Monarchy as a Customs Union, Komlos,=20
Princeton Univ. Press, Baedecker's Austria 1900, Geschichte Des Burgenlandes=
Floiger, Gruber, Huber, Lehrbuch f=FCr die Oberstufe.


Vienna, of course is not part of Burgenland. It is a province all in itself,=
the leading city in an Empire which recognized three capitals, Vienna,=20
Budapest and Prague. Surrounding villages were absorbed as the city expanded=
Some village names changed or disappeared and others gave their names to=20
today's districts. Many Burgenlanders migrated to Vienna for work and we can=
find references to various districts in ancestral documents. Member Johannes=
Graf () sends me the following:

The Viennese districts and the residential area names, former place names.
(District Number, name, former place name) - () not official names)

1, Innere Stadt

2, Leopoldstadt- Leopoldstadt, Unterer Werd, J=E4gerzeile, Prater

3, Landstrasse- Landstrasse, Erdberg, Wei=DFgerber, (St.Marx, Belvedere, am=20

4, Wieden- Wieden, Hungelbrunn, Schaumburgergrund

5, Margareten- Margareten, Nikolsdorf, Matzleinsdorf, Laurenzergrund,
Reinprechtsdorf, Hundsturm

6, Mariahilf- Mariahilf, Gumpendorf, Magdalenengrund, Laimgrube,

7, Neubau- St. Ulrich(90%), Neustift, Schottenfeld, Spittelberg, Laimgrube,=20

8, Josefstadt- Josefstadt, Strozzigrund, Breitenfeld, Alt-Lerchenfeld(90%),=20
St. Ulrich(10%), Alservorstadt(10%)

9, Alsergrund- Alservorstadt(90%), Michelbeuern, Himmelpfortgrund,=20
Li(e)chtental, Althan, Am Thury, Ro=DFau

10, Favoriten- Favoriten, Oberlaa, Unterlaa, Rothneusiedl, Inzersdorf(50%),=20
(Wienerberg, Laaer Berg)

11, Simmering- Simmering, (Kaiser)Ebersdorf, Albern, Neu-Albern,=20
Kledering(1%), (Simmeringer Haide)

12, Meidling- Meidling, Wilhelmsdorf, Gaudenzdorf, Altmannsdorf, Hetzendorf,=
(Am Sch=F6pfwerk)

13, Hietzing- Hietzing, Unter St. Veit, Ober St. Veit, Hacking, Lainz,=20
Speising, (Sch=F6nbrunn, Friedensstadt, Roter Berg)

14, Penzing- Penzing, Breitensee, Unter-Baumgarten, Ober-Baumgarten,=20
H=FCtteldorf, Hadersdorf, Weidlingau, Hainbach, Hinterhainbach, Steinbach(50=
(Wolfersberg, H=FCttelberg, Steinhof)

15, Rudolfsheim-F=FCnfhaus- Reindorf, Rustendorf, Braunhirschengrund,
F=FCnfhaus, Neu-F=FCnfhaus, Sechshaus, (Auf der Schmelz)

16, Ottakring- Ottakring, Neulerchenfeld, (Wilhelminenberg)

17, Hernals- Hernals, Dornbach, Neuwaldegg

18, W=E4hring- W=E4hring, Weinhaus, Gersthof, P=F6tzleinsdorf, (Schafberg)

19, D=F6bling- Heiligenstadt, Ober-D=F6bling, Unter-D=F6bling, Nu=DFdorf, Jo=
Kahlenbergerdorf, Grinzing, Ober-Sievering, Unter-Sievering, Salmannsdorf,=20
Neustift am Walde

20, Brigittenau- Brigittenau, Zwischenbr=FCcken, (Am Sporn)

21, Floridsdorf- Floridsdorf, Jedlesee, Gro=DFjedlersdorf, Neujedlersdorf,=20
Leopoldau, Donaufeld, Strebersdorf, Stammersdorf, (M=FChlsch=FCttel,=20

22, Donaustadt- Stadlau, E=DFling, Kagran, Aspern, Hirschstetten, Kaiserm=
Breitenlee, S=FC=DFenbrunn, Neue=DFling, Neukagran, (G=E4nseh=E4ufel, Neuhau=
Schafflerhof, M=FChlau, Heustadlmais, Biberhaufen, Schierlinggrund)

23, Liesing- Liesing, Atzgersdorf, Mauer, Rodaun, Erlaa, Alt-Erlaa,=20
Neu-Erlaa, Inzersdorf(50%), Kalksburg, Siebenhirten, (Kadoltsberg,=20
Rosenh=FCgel, Steinsee, Neustift oder Stra=DFenh=E4user, Neu-Steinhof)

bibliography: Stadtchronik Wien, 1986, Verlag Christian Brandst=E4tter


With email we have people who don't have anything to say and invent things=20
like false rumors and ask others to pass them on. I guess they get some weir=
enjoyment out of this. Unfortunately, many believe those rumors (thinking=20
every one on the net is honest) and pass them on to friends. Soon the net is=
clogged with trash. The worst hoaxes are the virus rumors. They have us=20
believing that a virus lurks within every email. Many of our members=20
unknowingly pass these rumors on to other BB members. This is not a good ide=
unless you are certain there is such a virus. How do you know? Check an=20
expert source. Charles Wardell supplied one recently when he was advised of=20
the "Virtual Card" virus rumor. He writes: 99.9% of these virus warnings are=
hoaxes -- which is dangerous because one then doesn't believe real ones when=
they come (Peter and the wolf).

Re: "A Virtual Card For You" please see:

Before forwarding warnings, please ALWAYS check with a formal site such as


(ED Note: Numerous Burgenlanders settled in New York City. Finding them can=20
be a chore. The following may help.)

Margaret Kaiser tells us that Kathleen Schilling, German Genealogy Group,=20
sent her this message:

The New York G&B has two new books available.=20

1. The German Churches of Metropolitan New York - A Research Guide by=20
Richard Haberstroh, C.G.

2.Index to Marriage and Death Notices in the New Yorker Staats-Zeitung=20
1836-1870 by Frank A. Biebel

Contact the following for more info:


Margaret also writes: More information on the book "The German Churches of=20
Metropolitan New York"-

Dr. Haberstroh has identified over 400 Protestant and Catholic churches whic=
have served the German communities in the present five boroughs of New York=20
City, as well as Jersey City and Hoboken, NJ, from the 1600's to the present=
For each church he gives the year founded, location, whereabouts of records=
and for Protestant churches, names of pastors. Introductory chapters=20
consider the history of Christian denominations in Germany, the development=20
of the German-American communities and churches of Metropolitan New York, an=
the nature of German church records. There are illustrations of selected=20
churches and church records. Maps assist the researcher in identifying=20
churches in a particular neighborhood at given dates. Indexes to church name=
and Protestant pastors, complete this indispensable guide. (For more=20
information) German Genealogy Group, P.O. Box 1004, Kings Park, NY 11754.=20


We have almost 700 members. Each received a "Welcome Letter" which included=20
the following paragraph:

"At some point in your research we would appreciate receiving an article=20
("auwandererschicksal-immigrant's story") concerning what you know of the=20
emigration of your Burgenland family. We would be pleased to edit and add=20
such to our newsletter and send a copy to the Burgenland for publication in=20
the Burgenl=E4ndische Gemeinschaft Newsletter (German language newsletter be=
distributed to descendants of Burgenland emigrants). A sample "auswanderer"=20
article can be found in our archives in newsletter no. 39A. We've found that=
these articles frequently result in local contacts."

To date we've received about a dozen stories. While under no obligation to d=
so-sending your story would be a nice way to thank us for our efforts on you=
behalf. Stories from north and middle Burgenland are particularly needed.

Let me emphasize that data concerning Burgenland immigrants is very scarce.=20
The respective governments did not keep records. What is available has been=20
uncovered through the efforts of organizations like the Burgenlandische=20
Gemeinschaft and the Burgenland Bunch. We now have listings of almost 3000=20
family names, their villages of origin and in a few cases the story of their=
emigration. We receive more names every day, but many facts are lacking. If=20
you'd like to memorialize your immigrant ancestor-send us a story=20
(Auswandererschicksal) of what you know.

Dear Mr. Berghold: Thank you for putting my question to the members. I have=
since received 3 replies. It seems that the Austrian Consul General=20
misunderstood, and was talking about a town by the name of Schattendorf, als=
in Burgenland where an older man and boy were killed by the police, and when=
the police were tried they were found not guilty, and the citizens burned=20
down the courthouse, and in the melee 80-100 people were killed by the=20
police, causing civil unrest. So you have an extremely informed membership,=20
and I appreciate the fast response. Charles Stuparits (ED. Note: It appears=20
riots following unpopular judicial decisions are not restricted to modern=20
times. What is new is the way in which they are handled!)


(ED. Note: Our editors often help members in their research. I am frequently=
copied. I wish I could publish them all, but space just doesn't permit. On=20
occasion I select those which I think are of particular value-those which=20
provide clues as to how to conduct your research. This one involves a small=20
village in the south of Burgenland. It just happens to be the birthplace of=20
my M=FChl-Sorger grandmother. Inhabitants went to church in St. Nikolaus)

Fritz writes: Anne, I had a chance to look through the records of the St.
Nikolaus parish near G=FCssing, and found the following regarding your=20

Marriage on May 18, 1884. Groom: Joannes Thomas, 24, single, domunculus,=20
born and living at Kleinm=FCrbisch no. 40. Bride: Agnes Kroboth, 24, singl=
born in Kleinm=FCrbisch, and living in the same village, house no. 45. Best=
men: Joannes Mulczet, farmer, and Joannes Semler, domunculus.

I believe that domunculus means a homesteader, German term "S=F6llner," i.e.=
, a=20
person with a house but little or no land; a cottager or cotter in English.

For this ancestral couple of yours, I found the following births in the same=

May 1, 1885, a

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