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Subject: [BURGENLAND-NEWSLETTER-L] BB News No. 122A dtd October 31, 2003
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:38:05 EST

(Issued monthly by )
Octoberber 31, 2003
(c) 2003 G. J. Berghold-all rights reserved)

HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE HOMEPAGE (from Internet/URL Editor Anna Tanczos Kresh)

This second section of our 4-section newsletter includes:
1. Mosonsentjanos (St. Johann) Origins-Dale Knebel
2. Origins Of Name Knaus
3. Burgenland Mantlik Search Leads To North-Eastern Hungary-Trip Report
4. New Additions To Burgenland Internet Links-Anna Kresh


Dale writes: I was at the Stearns History Museum and was glancing through a
genealogy called "The Lang Family" by Viola Lang Campion. I came across an
interesting letter from a priest in St. Johann who had helped the author do
research. He speculates on the origin of the Burgenlanders (in this region) and
provides other interesting information.

A letter (last half of the 1960's) from Father Csoka follows (sic):
"Now something interesting about Mosonsentjanos (St. Johannes): This and the
surrounding villages (St. Peter, Mosonzolnok, Levil, Heggesbalom) were
inhabited by people speaking German. It is not certain when they settled there. One
of the Hapsburg kings brought them from the empire, probably from
Baden-Würtenburg. Unfortunately the records were devastated when the Turks went against
Vienna (1683), and the whole district was burned down and lost.

Once, before 1700, the inhabitants were Protestant (Evangelist-Lutheran) for
50-60 years, but when Queen Mary Therese kept the land for herself they became
Catholics again. Our registers start from 1701. In 1659 they were still
Evangelists. In 1780 the inhabitants became Catholics.

One-fourth part in St. Janos were the big landowners (100 acres). The
greatest part of the people were small farmers (10 acres). Later it became smaller
when the land had to be divided among the children who became farmhands or

Because of the hard-life conditions in 1880-83 and later 1900-10, the great
emigrations started to the USA. They were not Austrians. The Hapsburg Empire
consisted of Austria and Hungary. We had our king in common-king in Hungary,
emperor in Austria, the same person.

The inhabitants here had their German mother tongue, but of Hungarian
nationality. For instance, in Detroit there are at least 100,000 Hungarians speaking
their mother tongue, but having American nationality.

After the 2nd World War many Hungarians settled in Germany. In Stuttgart,
more than 1000 people from St. Janos are living. Father Csöka.


In a message dated 10/24/03, writes:

Wondering if any of the Knaus roots in Burgenland may have immigrated to
Kratzke or Donhoff, Russia as part of the Volga Deutsch? I'd like to know from
where the family originated before Russia. Is the Knaus name in Burgenland
Austrian, Croatian, Hungarian, etc? My family spoke "Blatt Deutch". What village
did the Knaus name stem from in Burgenland? K. Knaus

Reply: As in all searches for the origin of names, there are many
possibilities. The name is Germanic, it can stem from the middle high German dialect
(south Germany) "Knuz" which means proud. There is no Old High German form. It is
similar to Old English "cneatian"-to quarrel. In our context (yours and mine
since I have some Knaus ancestors also) it most likely stems from the Swabian
or Alemannic dialect word "Knaus" -hillock. (source-Oxford Dictionary of

So, which stem applies in your case? There were two main Germanic migrations
to Russia in the modern period (before that it's anybody's guess)-one to
Galicia (Galizien ceded to Austria in 1772) under Empress Maria Theresia starting
about 1774. Most of these colonists came from Pfälz and Württemberg. They were
Evangelical Lutherans and Mennonites as well as Bohemian Catholics (from
previous Germanic migrations to Bohemia). Others came from the Palatinate, Baden
and Hesse in the 1780's. If yours were Protestant, that's a clue.

The second large group was settled in western Russia and near the Volga by
Catherine the Great in the late 1700's. I don't know where they came from
although many German speakers were involved and they were generally known as
Swabians, so this ties in with what we know about the Swabian derivation of the name
Knaus, Swabia being fairly close to the Russian borders. There were other
migrations to what is known as Russia at various periods but I doubt if they are
pertinent to this query (Polish eastern border, eastern Balkans,
Transylvanian eastern border, Carpathia-now in the Ukraine, the Baltic region east of
Prussia, south Russia along the Black Sea, etc.) You are probably aware that most
of these Germanic areas were "cleansed" during and following WWII. The
inhabitants were forcibly removed to Germany proper. There are organizations
compiling records of these, but this is beyond the scope of my Burgenland research.

As to Knaus in Burgenland, Austria (my clan)-I find them in southern
Burgenland and western Hungary along the Austrian border, mainly in villages of
Güssing, Mühlgraben, Inzenhof, Tauka, Minihof Liebau, Neuhaus am Klausenbach in the
districts (Bezirk) of Güssing and Jennersdorf as well as Rabafüzes and Also
and Felso Rönök in the neighboring Hungarian district (or Megye) of Szt.
Gotthard. I seriously doubt if there was any migration from there to Russia, although
some may have joined the Swabian movement to the Balkans. The name Knaus in
the Burgenland is the same-Germanic origin. Burgenland is 84% Germanic and has
a history of Germanic colonization dating back to the 11th century. When the
present Knaus families arrived is not known but indications are late 1600's,
following the Turkish retreat from Vienna in 1683-84, probably from Lower
Austria, Styria or Swabia. The Hungarian spelling of Knaus is Knausz.

I might add that this is not an uncommon Germanic name-you will also find it
among the Palatinate Germans (so-called Pennsylvania Dutch from what is now
Rhineland-Hesse) who emigrated to eastern Pennsylvania beginning in the early
1700's and continuing into the early 1800's. Allentown, PA and Lehigh, Bucks,
Berks, York and Lancaster Counties have many families with this name. I went to
school with a few.

The term "Blatt Deutsch" is unfamiliar to me-it translates as Leaf or Paper
page German, and obviously refers to a local dialect like "Hianzen" in the
Burgenland. It may be a phonetic corruption of "Platt Deutsch" or peasant
(plow-rural-farm) German-the German of Bavaria and Swabia. There are over 400
recognized German dialects.

I might add, that what we have written provides clues as to the origins of
some Germanic colonists; however, they are only clues until such time as we find
written documentation. Given the early movement of Germanic peoples and their
wide and frequent dispersal, I'm afraid we will never have definite proof for
most. The area of Germanic "genealogy" really begins in southern Texas and
spreads east to the Volga and beyond in Russia-I even have some in Hawaii-north
to south it spreads from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Thanks for the question.
I'll be publishing it and my reply in our newsletter.


Deirdre Montlick Miller () writes: Thank you for including
my Mantlik family search in your latest edition of the Burgenland Bunch news!
Thanks to your posting, I received help from Bob Strauch, who researched the
Ellis Island database and found some information about my relatives. He
discovered, however, that my grandparents probably came from NE Hungary, rather than
Burgenland! This is a bit of a surprise for me after looking for their roots
in Burgenland, but I believe he is correct. I have found no Mantliks in the
Burgenland area, and there are still several families with that name in the
Miskolc area of northeast Hungary. I now believe that the "St. Andras" of my
grandfather's birthplace was "Hernadszentandras" a tiny village near the Hernad
River, near Encs, Hungary. Apparently there are many towns called "St.
Andras" (with different prefixes, such as Moson, Hernad, Torna, etc.) in Hungary!

Also, Bob found in the data base, an "Erszi Kovacs" (probably my
grandmother)who emigrated to the US from a town called "Tarkany" which is probably
Kistarkany, now a village just over the border in eastern Slovakia! They now call it
Male Trakany. This is another interesting development. I am overwhelmed with
the wonderful help I am receiving. Obviously, I have much more research to

My trip to Europe was fascinating. I spent several days in Vienna with my
daughter, drove through the Burgenland area, and then went on to Budapest and
eastern Hungary. Although the cities of Vienna and Budapest had gorgeous
architecture and exciting urban life, my favorite place to visit was the town of
Eger, about 2 hours east of Budapest. I highly recommend it to anyone visiting
Hungary--and stay at the Hotel Romantik if you go! The staff are really

I was thrilled to meet with two different branches of the Mantlik family,
who may be related to mine, although we were unable to establish a direct
connection. I hope to stay in contact with them (they are in Vienna, and near
Miskolc, HU) to find out more about my family origins. Gerry, if you have any
information on sources who may be able to help me search my Eastern Hungarian
roots, can you let me know? Thanks for all your wonderful help. Your group is so
nice! I would like to remain on your mailing list for this newsletter, as I
enjoy the information and recipes too.

(from Internet/URL Editor Anna Tanczos Kresh)

o Church Curators <
http://www.evang.at/dokumente/formulare/_img/kuratoren.xls>; - (downloadable Excel file) This file lists the Kurator/in
(curator/guardian) and Kurator Stv. (Stellvertreter = deputy) for evangelical churches in the
Burgenland; possible contacts for seeking access to church records/building;
click on Bgld for Burgenland.

o Eltendorf <http://www.eltendorf.com/>; - town photos, history and other city
information. Uhudler-Pfeiffer includes an English translation of area wine
growing history.

o Gemeindename mit Ortschaftsname, Postleitzahlen <
http://www.statistik.at/verzeichnis/ortschaften_170703.pdf>; - List of Burgenland (or other Austrian)
towns with postal codes (PDF).

o Genealogie im Internet <
http://magazin.orf.at/bgldmagazin/imland/tipps/stories/338/>; - article in Austrian Broadcasting Corp. magazine regarding the
Burgenland Bunch

o Trip Photos <
http://www.pfarre-forchtenstein.at/Fotoalbum/Frauenausflug03/pages/a-Bus.htm>; - 29 photos; Burg Güssing, Stadtpfarrkirche, Rönöker
Emmerichkirche, and the Batthyany Grab in Güssing.

o Relationship Chart <http://www.mdwsweb.com/genealogy/relationship.html>; -
long list of online charts to determine your relationships

o Heraldic Links <http://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/hungary.htm>; -
Notes on Hungarian heraldry; see also Pimbley's Dictionary of Heraldry <

o Emigration - Hamburg and Bremen <http://blacklake.biz/meck/hambrg.htm>; -
infomation on the emigration ports of Hamburg and Bremen and the evolution of

o Germans to America <http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-revu5.html>;
- Published Passenger Lists: A Review of German Immigrants and Germans to
America, Volumes 1-9 (1850-1855)

o Passenger Lists - Links <
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~herz/links/passlists.htm>; - numerous links to passenger lists, research guides, etc.

o Using Hamburg Passenger Lists <

o 3000 Year Perpetual Calendar <
http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/lawyers/magistrates_benchbook/perpetual_calendar/perpetual_calendar.htm>; - International and
British versions; with 1582/1752 revisions for accuracy, links to calendar
history, etc. [address change]

o Abbreviations Found in Genealogy <
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/abbrev.html>;, <http://www.family-crests.com/online_library/abbreviations.html>;, <
http://www.datastore.com/~myrona/NFMISC/abbrev.html>;, <
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzmgrinl/abbrev.html>; [one link broken, dropped]

o Alte deutsche Handschriften <http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/scripts.html>;
- Samples of Old German handwritten scripts, example and explanation of
Austrian parish book birth record; examples of German signatures

o AudioOnDemand <
http://www.wrn.org/listeners/stations/index.php?CurrentLetter=1/>; - on demand radio from Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, the Vatican, and many
more (each site offers multiple languages)

o Austrian "Aussenministerium" (State Department) <http://www.bmaa.gv.at/>; -
Many interesting links to information on Austria; German and English [address

o Austrian Cyber Cafes <http://www.bignet.at>; - Internet, Fax, CD, and
scanning services available in Austria; also some Internet services available at the
Vienna Airport and discount booksellers "Libro" (Eurocenter and Steffl
department stores, Amadeus bookshops); click on Bignet Internet Cafes - see BB
newsletter #85 for more info [change in title and description; formerly Viennese
Cyber Cafes]

o Ellis Island Database (EIDB) <http://www.ellisislandrecords.org>; - American
Family Immigration History Center at Ellis Island, NY; online access to data
on passengers who came to America through Ellis Island and the Port of New
York; see also
Searching Ellis Island Database in One Step <
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html>; - expanded method for searching the EIDB

o Expedia Maps <http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmfn&&tpid=1&&;
zz=1066259291140&> - Enter village/city and country name anywhere in the world to
display a map of the area selected; includes zoom capability; driving
directions limited to US only

o Famous Hungarians list <
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-famous-Hungarians>; - List of famous people of Hungarian origin;
see also <
http://www.magyarorszag.hu/angol/orszaginfo/magyarok/nobeldijasaink_a.html>; [new urls]

o Habsburg Source Texts Archive <http://www.h-net.org/~habsweb/sourcetexts/>;
- some Austro-Hungarian history links [new address]

o Lehigh County Historical Society <
http://www.lehighcountyhistoricalsociety.org/>; - Allentown, Pennsylvania; lists the Collections held, such as church
records, genealogies, newspapers, etc.; see also
Moravian Historical Society <
http://www.moravianhistoricalsociety.org/research.html>; [address change]

o Library of Congress <http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/genealogy>; - U.S. Library of
Congress, Washington, DC; online search;
LOC - Newspaper Holdings <http://lcweb.loc.gov/rr/news/newscats.html>; -
Catalogs of Newspaper Holdings on the Internet [address correction]


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