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From: "Sandra" <>
Subject: RE: [CAFresno] Carrea - Fresno Bee
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:23:19 -0700
In-Reply-To: <002101c4942c$94276c60$0b01a8c0@omp.local>

I have the obits for both Frank CARREA in 1982 and Mary CARREA in 1991 -
need address to mail to you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Federico Rossi [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:14 AM
To:
Subject: Fw: [CAFresno] Carrea


Dear Sandra,
I forward you the email I received from Joan together with my reply: hope
this can help and add some new elements to our inquiry!
Thanks a lot.
Bests,
Federico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Federico Rossi" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CAFresno] Carrea


> Dear Joan,
> thank you so much for your help, your email is really a mine of new ideas!
> I'll try to answer some of your questions:
> It's the first time I hear about this Lorenzo Bertussi, and I'm going to
> investigate also about the family relationship among francesco and the two
> other guys who emigrated to America with him.
> The fact that Francesco's mother is listed in CA Death index (but she
never
> went to USA, I guess it's only an information usually provided in this
> documents) as a Carrea is no surprising: in Alice, this small village near
> Gavi, Alessandria almost 70% of the population bears this surname.
> From what both Sandra and another friend wrote me I guess that Mary's
maiden
> name was Ortensio.
> So, you've been in Italy, but where, in Piemonte (the Italian region where
> Gavi is located) or in Liguria (I live near Genoa in this region)? You
wrote
> about wines, so I guess is Piemonte, in fact all around Alice there used
to
> be beautiful wineyards and it's not for chance that Francesco (mmhhh, this
> might be an useful information I had forgotten to give you before) after
> working as a labourer in a farm finally established his own small business
> selling raisins in California (my mother remembers that he used to bring
> some with him when he came to visit them in the 50s-60s).
> Well, I'm gonna make some more investigations possibly at Gavi's registry
> office.
> Bests,
> federico
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: ""Federico Rossi"" <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAFresno] Carrea
>
>
> > Federico,
> > Isn't it fun when something fits? I love it!! This is good to know
that
> both the Ellis Island record and the Clovis Cemetery record look right to
> you. I will keep a focus on them, having gone down several rabbit holes
and
> , so far, haven't gotten any further. Seem to be picking up several
cousins
> here and there, but no clear hits. Do you recogonize this Lorenzo
Bertussi
> who they give as a sponsor? Uncle and cousin to the three? Does the
Conte
> cousin fit in anywhere on the tree? Also the CA Death index lists
> Francesco's mother as a Carrea too. These are often inaccurate but it may
> be that his father Giacomo married a cousin? Do we know if Francesco and
> Guiseppe are brothers or cousins to each other? Guiseppe must be the G
> Carrea nearby in the Fresno Census?
> >
> > It would be helpful if we could find Mary's maiden name--which a death
> certificate may give. Or a birth certificate for one or both of the
girls,
> Clara and Anna. You could write for these--but....
> >
> > I am presently working with films at the local LDS center, and today, I
> asked if they might have such records on film in their local collection.
> They do. So next week when they are open again, I will see if I can find
> such a record to save you the angst of writing overland? I didn't ask
> today, but I will also see if they have marriage records which would give
us
> a direct hit to the married names of the daughters. Then we could better
> search for living family descendents.
> >
> > I would also suggest sending their data to Sandra, again, on the Fresno
> forum, to see if she can find the obituaries for Francesco and Mary. She
> has helped many on the forum this way. The Fresno Weekly Republican or
> Fresno Bee are the two newspapers. Ancestry.com lists an obit for Carrea
in
> the Recorder archives, but I do not have access to those records. That
> would give the daughters married names, since the parents lived long past
> the time when the daurs would be marrying?
> >
> > Meanwhile, might you have any other info to add to what I have already?
> Any other family names, or siblings, towns in either Italy or California?
> These years of migration usually reveal a chain of movement, those coming
> first settling in and then sending on for others to follow, as we see in
the
> Ellis Island record. (There is another family across the bay from San
> Francisco in Oakland, Alameda County, who are suspiciously close to your
> fellows. Both Bertussi and Conte....) They usually took good care of one
> another and established strong communities where they settled. I wish
> Fresno had more historical info online for the Italian communities, but I
> have't yet found anything to directly assist you. Did you see this little
> tid-bit?
> >
> > Clovis Cemetery 305 Villa Ave. Clovis (Herndon & Villa)
> > Tall pine trees and green grass make for a wonderful setting amongst the
> larger upright monuments. The older section is unquestionably the most
> enjoyable section of this park.
> >
> > Maybe someone else on the forum would take a photograph of the
monument
> stones for you?
> > It is worth a try, too, especially these days with digital cameras.
> >
> > So....I will get back to you later next week when I have taken a look at
> the films. It is all a wonderful mystery, isn't it? I have also noted
that
> your region is noted for some tres belle wines? Many years ago on my
first
> visit to Italy, I was taken to stay in an old villa in your region. It
was
> surrounded with rolling vineyards, so much like California. The villa had
a
> chapel on one side of the courtyard and a high corner tower where I slept.
> It was haunted, but with very friendly energy, I found. Maybe they will
> help us in your search??
> >
> > Say a prayer for the film search--and for Florida.
> >
> > Best to you,
> > Joan in San Francisco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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