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From: Fay Stengler <>
Subject: Re: campbell-d Digest V98 #81
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:04:31 -0500


Don and Diarmid,
Is it possible that John Campbell who married Grace Hay could have been
the son of John Campbell and Grisel Campbell? If we accept the 1674
birth date of John/Grace, John would have been 11 in 1685 when
John/Grisel landed in NJ.
Fay


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> Subject:
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> campbell-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 81
>
> Today's Topics:
> John Campbell & Grisel Campbell
> John Campbell, Grace Hay, & Grisel Campbell
> Material from Scotch-Irish List
> Scotch-Irish material contd.
> John CAMPBELL Dublin, Ireland---PA--IA
> Campbell/Ball/Cook
> DAVID CAMPBELL
> Test - Sorry - Delete
> FW: Catholic Campbells
> Robert Campbell from Ulster in 1714
> Re: John Campbell, Grace Hay, & Grisel Campbell
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> Subject: John Campbell & Grisel Campbell
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:29 -0400
> From: "Donald Hester" <>
> To: "Mailing List Campbell" <>
>
> Donald,
>
> Do the dates for John Campbell and Grizel Cambpell fit with those of
> the
> John Campbell (and possibly Grace Hay) who are said to have come from
> Ireland to Pennsylvania (and later Virginia) in the 1730s? If so you
> have
> made a very intriguing discovery.
>
> All best, Diarmid
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: John Campbell, Grace Hay, & Grisel Campbell
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:55 -0400
> From: "Donald Hester" <>
> To: "Mailing List Campbell" <>
>
> CHALLENGE by Donald Hester
>
> Prove me wrong!
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> RESPONSE by Donald Hester:
>
> DOCUMENTED PROOF:
> 1. Marriage of John Campbell and Grisel Campbell
> 2. Birth of Grisel Campbell.
> 3. Passenger List showing John Campbell, Grisel Gamble, John
> Campbell, and Robert Campbell (John and Robert are sons of John
> Campbell and Grisel Campbell) arriving at Perth Amboy, New Jersey
> mid-December 1685 aboard the HENRY AND FRANCIS ship departing
> previously from the Road of Leith on September 5, 1685.
> 4. Article written published 1888 in "History of the Reformed
> Presbyterian Church" by W. Melanchthon Glasgow, Baltimore, MD.,
> wherein the author reports the complete story, prior to the voyage,
> the voyage of the HENRY AND FRANCIS, and the events following the
> disembarkation at Perth Amboy, NJ, which stated the passengers
> scattered throughout the easthern part of Pennsylvania.
>
> All of the dates, names and locations are consistent with prior claims
> that John Campbell came from New Jersey by way of Lancaster Co.,
> Pennsylvania to Orange Co., Virginia later to become Augusta Co.,
> Virginia. Some claim they came from Ireland. That is incorrect! The
> above article gives ample details regarding the passengers coming from
> Scotland.
>
> Donald Hester
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Diarmid Campbell wrote:
>
> Do the dates for John Campbell and Grizel Cambpell fit with those of
> the
> John Campbell (and possibly Grace Hay) who are said to have come from
> Ireland to Pennsylvania (and later Virginia) in the 1730s? If so you
> have
> made a very intriguing discovery.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Donald Hester Originally Wrote:
>
> Somewhere, a long time ago, someone said that John Campbell was
> married to Grace Hay. I have never found any documentation to support
> that claim; however, it has been repeated so many times by so many
> genealogist that legend has become fact. If indeed John Campbell did
> marry a Grace Hay, I suspect she was his second wife. If you have any
> documentation supporting the legend, I would be interested to see it.
>
> The information I have is documented information, coming directly from
> the original birth and marriage records of Scotland.
>
> Marriage of John Campbell and Grisel Campbell finally documented!
>
> Married: January 7, 1657 in Kenmore, Perth, Scotland
>
> Grisel Campbell was christened:
>
> August 6, 1637 in Kenmore, Perth, Scotland.
>
> Grisel Campbel's parents are listed as:
>
> Hew Campbell and Agnas Iruine.
>
> Donald Hester
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Material from Scotch-Irish List
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:55:52 -0400
> From: WJKELLY45 <>
> To:
>
> Subject:
> RE: Protestants & Catholics
> Date:
> Thu, 16 Jul 98 15:12:40 PDT
> From:
> "" <>
> To:
>
>
> Hi Lisa, a lot of people, both Scots and Irish, were
> sent to the West Indies in the 17th and 18th centuries.
> Have you checked for your Campbells in the West Indies?
> Many of them left for the Virginias and Maryland after
> having served out their tenure-- or their descendents
> did. I beleive there is a list and a lot of records to
> be explored.
>
> Also not all Campbells are Scots--some are native
> Irish. My brother in law is an Irish Catholic Campbell.
> Besides native Irish Campbells you have Campbells who
> moved to Ireland in the late middle ages (Gallowglass
> soldiers) and Campbells who came with the McDonnells
> in the 1580's. Both types married into the native
> population. Bell"The book of Ulster Surnames" discusses
> this.
>
> Maybe your Campbells really are pure Scots and just
> detoured through the West Indies or Ireland.
>
> Lest anyone think it is a "shame" to find a convict
> in the family tree -- it is not. Benjamin Franklin
> estimated in his day that up to a third of the people
> in America were descended from folk who received a
> free trip to the Americans, complements of the gov.
>
> My brother in law's family is resistent to our
> attempts to root out their past. I know they came
> in 1859 to Pittsburgh. Campbells and O'Reillys.
> I found a couple on a boat from Donegal but they
> claim they came from Dublin....But since my grannie
> who thought she came from Glasgow actually came
> from Falkirk-- they could be wrong too....
>
> Linda Merle
>
> ______________________________
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Scotch-Irish material contd.
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:02:47 -0400
> From: WJKELLY45 <>
> To:
>
> ______________________________
>
> Subject:
> RE: Protestants & Catholics
> Date:
> Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:59:13 -0700
> From:
> "Kevin J. Grimes" <>
> To:
>
>
> Linda,
>
> Thank you for responding. I had heard about the Irish
> and Scot theories, along with the 'Gallowglass' theory
> (which I'd like to know more about) but I had NOT heard
> of the UK-West Indies-VA that you mentioned. Where
> can I find this information? Is it available via the
> net? Please say yes...
>
> I've listed all kinds of possible scenarios, I've been
> accused by more than a couple of CAMPBELL's that I'm
> looking for sinister plots that aren't there...
> NO, but they are on my list anyway... either to confirm
> or rule it out. So, no I'm NOT trying find sordid
> skeletons in the closet. Nor would I be embarrassed to
> find bandits, or anything else there, and especially the
> victims of all the Political or Religions persecutions
> that abounded then, and unfortunately, now.
>
> My relatives are my family... warts and all. Again,
> Thank you,
>
> Lisa Grimes
>
> This is the rest of the material from Scoth-Irish-L. Christine, it
> worked. I learned something I haven't tried before. Good old cut and
> paste.
>
> Wilma
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: John CAMPBELL Dublin, Ireland---PA--IA
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:45:57 -0500
> From: Allyn Campbell <>
> To: "" <>
>
> Looking for information on Campbell family from Dublin. John CAMPBELL
> was born April 2, 1812 in Dublin, Ireland.(Info from census) This family
> immigrated to USA before 1830's, because John married Mary LISTON about
> 1835/6 in PA. Mary was born 1817 in PA(from census) the daughter of John
> LISTON. John and Mary had the following children: William; Mary
> Ann,1839/sp BB Breeden; John Thomas,1843/sp Elmira Shinkle;
> Margaret,1845/sp Robert Conwell; Amanda,1846/sp Mariner Maudsley;
> Emiline,1850/sp John Baird; Benjamin,1852/sp Hannah Manwiller; (all born
> in Penn, from census) Almira,1855/sp John Heide; Rudolph,1859/sp Mary
> Pool.(These last two born in Jackson County, Iowa, info from census).
> Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks Allyn
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Campbell/Ball/Cook
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:00:14 -0500
> From: Virginia Lloyd <>
> To:
>
> I am new to the Campbell list, and just started researching the Campbell
> line.
>
> William Ball b.07Sept1766 in Wilkes Co., N.C. m.Sarah Campbell 9Sept1788
> in Iredell Co., N.C. Sarah was the daughter of Pierce Campbell and
> Sarah Cook.
>
> That is all I have on the Campbell and Cook lines, although I have the
> names of all of William and Sarah's children and decendants. I need to
> go the other direction. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> vlloyd (Virginia Prindle Lloyd) San Benito, Tex. formerly from Wichita,
> Ks.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: DAVID CAMPBELL
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:56:00 -0500
> From: Lewis & Deb Johnson <>
> To:
>
> My gg grandfather was David Campbell. He married Eliza Marie Barker in
> Spetember of 1866 in Wright County Iowa. Known children are Helen Sarah
> born in June of 1875 and Lucy Born inn 1878. Can anayone make a connection?
>
> Thanks in Advanced.
> Deb
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Test - Sorry - Delete
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:41:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Christine E. Gaunt" <>
> To:
>
> Christine Gaunt, or
> Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner
> Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet
> Web: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html
> File (2.4M): via autoreply from
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: FW: Catholic Campbells
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:23:26 -0400
> From: Patricia Siler <>
> To: "Campbell List \(E-mail\)" <>
>
> Does anyone know if there is a particular branch of the Campbell Clan that
> was Catholic? Or were there some dispersed throughout Scotland? My
> gg-grandfather was born in Glasgow and emigrated to Co. Fermanagh NI. I am
> not entirely sure he was Catholic, but his descendents were and married
> Catholics.
>
> It would sure narrow my area of search if one branch was Catholic, but it's
> one of those things that's probably too good to be true <grin>.
>
> Regards.
>
> Pat Siler
> Plymouth, MA
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Robert Campbell from Ulster in 1714
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:34:57 EDT
> From: <>
> To:
>
> Requesting any information on the origins of the following family in Ulster
> before their immigration to the Boston area in 1714. I do not have the name
> or master of the ship on which they arrived, the name of the town from which
> they embarked, the name of the town or parish in Ulster in which they resided
> prior to coming to America, nor any information on their ancestors or origins
> in Scotland prior to their sojourn in Ireland:
>
> Robert Campbell (b. 1673, d. 14 Feb 1725) came with his family
> (wife Janet nee Stuart or Stewart) and children: Charles (b. ca
> 1696),
> John (b. 1698), Sarah (b. ca 1700), Mary (b. 1702), James (b.
> 1704),
> and Robert (b. 23 April 1709) from County Tyrone, Ulster, Ireland,
> to
> Boston in 1714 and thence in 1719 to New London, Connecticut.
>
> This information derive from "The Robert Campbell Genealogy" by the Rev.
> Frederick Campbell, published by the author at Brooklyn, NY, in 1909, and from
> an article entitled "Robert Campbell and his Descendants" by Henry F. Douglas,
> in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. XXXII, July
> 1878, pp. 275-280. The genealogy of this family after their arrival in
> America has been pretty well worked out, but we are unable to find any earlier
> information beyond what is written above.
>
> Any help or leads would be much appreciated.
>
> Ross W. Campbell <>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: John Campbell, Grace Hay, & Grisel Campbell
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:14:08 -0500
> From: Rob Campbell <>
> To: Donald Hester <>
> CC: Mailing List Campbell <>
>
>
>
> Donald Hester wrote:
>
> > Donald Hester: DOCUMENTED PROOF:1. Marriage of John Campbell
> > and Grisel Campbell2. Birth of Grisel Campbell.3. Passenger
> > List showing John Campbell, Grisel Gamble, John Campbell, and Robert
> > Campbell (John and Robert are sons of John Campbell and Grisel
> > Campbell) arriving at Perth Amboy, New Jersey mid-December 1685
> > aboard the HENRY AND FRANCIS ship departing previously from the Road
> > of Leith on September 5, 1685.4. Article written published 1888
> > in "History of the Reformed Presbyterian Church" by W. Melanchthon
> > Glasgow, Baltimore, MD., wherein the author reports the complete
> > story, prior to the voyage, the voyage of the HENRY AND FRANCIS, and
> > the events following the disembarkation at Perth Amboy, NJ, which
> > stated the passengers scattered throughout the easthern part of
> > Pennsylvania. All of the dates, names and locations are consistent
> > with prior claims that John Campbell came from New Jersey by way of
> > Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania to Orange Co., Virginia later to become
> > Augusta Co., Virginia. Some claim they came from Ireland. That is
> > incorrect! The above article gives ample details regarding the
> > passengers coming from Scotland. Donald Hester
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Diarmid Campbell wrote:
> >
> > Do the dates for John Campbell and Grizel Cambpell fit with those of
> > the
> > John Campbell (and possibly Grace Hay) who are said to have come
> > from
> > Ireland to Pennsylvania (and later Virginia) in the 1730s? If so
> > you have
> > made a very intriguing discovery.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Donald Hester Originally Wrote: Somewhere, a long time ago, someone
> > said that John Campbell was married to Grace Hay. I have never
> > found any documentation to support that claim; however, it has been
> > repeated so many times by so many genealogist that legend has become
> > fact. If indeed John Campbell did marry a Grace Hay, I suspect she
> > was his second wife. If you have any documentation supporting the
> > legend, I would be interested to see it. The information I have is
> > documented information, coming directly from the original birth and
> > marriage records of Scotland. Marriage of John Campbell and Grisel
> > Campbell finally documented! Married: January 7, 1657 in Kenmore,
> > Perth, Scotland Grisel Campbell was christened: August 6, 1637 in
> > Kenmore, Perth, Scotland. Grisel Campbel's parents are listed
> > as: Hew Campbell and Agnas Iruine. Donald Hester
> >
> > We read with great interest one of the few posts which mentions
> > scots immigrating from Scotland before 1731, (the earliest birthdate
> > we have for James Campbell, m. to Mary ?) and coming to lancaster
> > Co., PA.(his place of birth) and going on to VA. Does anyone have
> > access to the Lancaster Co.,PA records for that period? We have hit
> > a wall and cannot find the ancestors or immigration info for this
> > person. He had a son, James, b.12-25-1754, d. 1840, m. Jane
> > Sample(Semple, Sempill?), c.1775, and a son Alexander, for whom
> > James(1754) substituted as a soldier in the Rev. War., North
> > Carolina Line (Indian Spy) and received a government pension,
> > application #530310. This last part is documented in the War Dept.
> > records.
> > This line went on to Washington Co. Tenn.(later KY), then to
> > Barren Co., KY, then to Cole Co., MO. We have descendents all the
> > way down to myself, Robert L. Campbell, Jr. in Cole Co. MO.
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Could possibly offer
> > small recompense for services rendered or perform similar services
> > in our area. We already have some info on this and other James C.
> > from the Clan Campbell Society genealogist we could pass
> > along. Thank you in advance. Yours Aye, Rob & Elle
> > Campbell

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