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From: "G. Douglas and/or Jeanette Clarke" <>
Subject: Fw: campbell-d Digest V99 #152
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:55:40 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: Diarmid Campbell <>
To: G. Douglas and/or Jeanette Clarke <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: campbell-d Digest V99 #152


> Hi Doug,
>
> No, the Clan Cambpell Society is not "based on blood". The only 'clan'
> which has no society and is called only a clan is Clan Donald and it is (I
> am told) based upon 'blood' - I am not sure on what basis. A very great
> number of the members of the Clan Campbell Society are not named Campbell
> and many are not named for one of the 'sept names' either (names of
families
> long associated with clan Campbell in the historical period). Many belong
> because their grandmother or great grandmother was a Campbell and some for
> even more obscure reasons, but they are all equally welcome.
>
> As I may have mentioned, the difference between a clan and a clan society
is
> that a clan is a family while a society is an organization within the
clan.
> I sometiems think of it as the clan being the family with the chief as
> father and us all as kids and the society as the equivalent of the family
> having got together and designed the list on the refrigerator which
details
> all the chores each of the kids have agreed to be responsible for in
> rotation on the farm.
>
> Our society is run democratically as an organization with the officers and
> trustees being elected and then when they meet in executive council twice
a
> year they vote on proposals which are put forward and seconded. The only
> organizations clans ever had was in time of conflict when those who were
of
> the name of the chief or were outstanding warriors took the leadership or
> officer positions, while everyone else, seldom named like the chief's
> family, were the body of the clan. That they were called 'followers' in
> historic Scotland doesn't mean anyone has to think in those terms today.
I
> can understand the American dislike of thinking of anyone as a 'follower'
so
> it is just as easy to consider oneself a 'member'.
>
> If it helps to post this to the List you may certainly do that as I cannot
> technically do that just now, haveing a malfunction for some reason after
> installing some new software.
>
> All best, Diarmid
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G. Douglas and/or Jeanette Clarke <>
> To: <>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: campbell-d Digest V99 #152
>
>
> > Hello all,
> > I don't know what article in the Clan Campbell Journal is referred
to,
> > and when I responded the other day, the article was not part of the
> context
> > in which I received the inquiry (I just joined the list the other day).
I
> > wouldn't particularly care to join an organization that limits its
> > membership to the "purest blood" anyway. I joined the Clan Campbell
> Society
> > because I hoped it would help with genealogy and cultural and historical
> > understanding.
> > If my reply seemed to be hostile, that was not my intent. I WAS in
a
> > hurry, so I wasn't very careful about that, so I'm sorry if I came
across
> as
> > defensive. I hadn't seen any messages about an article in the Journal,
> and
> > really was hoping that my question about more information would prompt
the
> > inquirer to clarify the context of the question. Honest.
> > Although each generation shares DNA, I understand that the "purity"
of
> > lineage follows from mother to mother, whereas the male lines are more
> > dilute in each generation. I know I'm not using the correct scientific
> > terms, and don't have time to research it, as I have a term paper due,
but
> > my comment had to do with questioning organizations that based
membership
> on
> > patrilineage, in general. It wasn't personally directed at my inquirer,
> but
> > I guess I can see how I was misunderstood.
> > ANYWAY, I'm really just interested in researching my ancestry, so I
> want
> > everyone to know I harbor no ill feelings, and hope no-one harbors any
> > against me. I want to look through the other messages to see if there
are
> > any connections, but that will have to wait until after my class
tonight.
> > I'll talk with you folks then. Happy hunting!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Doug Clarke
> >
> > P.S. Can someone tell me where I can look up this article? I assume
it's
> > on a web page, right?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: campbell-d Digest V99 #152
> >
> >
> > > I wrote questioning the article in the Clan Campbell Journal. I
> certainly
> > do
> > > not agree with it as I am a descendant of my Great-grandmother Sarah
> Jane
> > > Campbell, my family is proud of our Scottish heritage and have no
doubt
> we
> > > are Campbells. I was just shocked to read the article. Nowhere in my
> > note
> > > did I mention that I agreed with this line of thinking. I am also a
> > member
> > > of the Clan Campbell Society and intend to remain a member. I just
> wrote
> > the
> > > note as it was upsetting to me that someone would write such nonsense.
> All
> > I
> > > was asking was has anyone ever heard of this. Please take time to read
> all
> > of
> > > a message before you get upset with the writer. I believe this to be
an
> > > important issue when it comes from the Clan itself and not the
society.
> > > Dick
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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