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From: JACK MCKINNON <>
Subject: Re: [Montreal-Irish] Re: CAN-MONTREAL-IRISH-D Digest V04 #129
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <20040807172303.53341.qmail@web80710.mail.yahoo.com>


pat i have lyons in my family. don't know if ther is
any connection. my lyons was a widow of john douge and
ma. a john lyons in quebec city. there were also a lot
of irish who were farmers in lac beauport, quebec. the
first of my ancestors to come to the states was my gm
& gf her maiden name jones and his name shea.---
Patrick McCann <> wrote:

> I just returned from a week in Montral and four
> days
> in Qubec City. Some of you helped me in the past in
> preparation for this trip, so I thought I would let
> you know the outcome. In brief, I found nothing. But
> perhaps my failures will help some of you in your
> searches.
> I have been searching for the family records of my
> g-g-g-grandparents John Ivory, his wife Mary Lyons
> Ivory, and their children, John Ivory, Jr., Thomas
> Ivory, William Ivory, Mary Ivory, and Bridget Ann
> Ivory. My principal sources of information have been
> an 1865 state census for Brooklyn and a series of
> "Brooklyn Daily Eagle" eulogies & obits for the son
> Thomas Ivory in 1881. The first problem is that
> those
> two sources contradict each other regarding birth
> order and birthplace for the three sons. To begin
> with, the census makes John the oldest son and says
> his birth was in Ireland with the rest of the
> children, except William, being born in "Quebec." I
> don't know whether that refers to the province or
> the
> city, which wasn't very helpful. The census gives my
> great-great grandfather William's birthplace as New
> York. However, the BDE articles makes Thomas the
> older, with his birthplace in Co. Waterford and
> says
> he arrived "in Qubec" as an infant in 1825. Again,
> the article never differentiates between the city
> and
> the province. By 1850 the entire family was in
> Brooklyn except for the father, who must have died
> somewhere in Canada since he is not buried with his
> family in Brooklyn. I have also found the graves of
> all these people except for the daughter Mary,
> although I also found her in several documents, also
> in Brooklyn. ALL American documents have multiple
> contradictions as to birthdates and birthplaces, but
> that's another story.
> So, armed with the information above, I first went
> to
> St. Patrick's Cathedral in Montral, only to find
> that
> the church's records began well after the births of
> any of these children. A woman in the church office
> sent me to the National Archives because, as she
> said,
> there were films of virtually all churches' records
> there. She suggested, as did the archivist who was
> very helpful, that I begin with the records for
> Notre
> Dame, since as they said, that would be the most
> likely place. I searched every film for that church
> for the years in question and found only one
> "Ivory,"
> which I could not identify. I know there were
> churches
> in the Griffintown area, but the archivist could
> not
> identify them for me. So, I was out of luck there. I
> also checked the records for Cote de Neiges Cemetery
> with no luck. In Qubec City, I tried to find a
> neighborhood or a cemetery or a church that would
> have
> been predominantly Irish between 1825 and 1850, but
> no
> one could help me with that. And with so many old
> churches, I couldn't even begin to look for a likely
> church.
> Hoping you will all pardon that lengthy report, I
> would ask again whether anyone would have further
> ideas, especially as to the names of likely Irish RC
> churches in Montral or Qubec City. I cannot return
> to Qubec anytime soon, but perhaps I can find
> someone
> who can. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
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