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Subject: Re: [CCC] Re: [NS-L] Post-1901 Census --- A Complete Sellout
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 02:10:33 -0700 (PDT)


Well said, Muriel and Helene! My sentiments exactly.

Nancy T (another Canadian living in US)

On Sat, 03 May 2003 01:40:41 -0400, "Helene Conroy" wrote:
> AMEN!!! Muriel, I just have to add my dollar's worth. It has been on my
> heart for a while now, but I cannot hold it in any longer...
>
> Lynton,
>
> Since you have been on this list, you have been very rude, you have
> writtten
> obnoxious criticism, and I believe that many of us are FED UP with your
> condescending backlash. The Golden Rule says, "Do unto others as you
would
> have them do unto you." Therefore, please respect everyone on this list.
> YOU
> ARE NOT IN CHARGE HERE!! If you are not happy, then please CLICK THE
DELETE
> BUTTON and go on your way. I, for one, am very tired of this broken
record.
>
> This is a GREAT LIST and we are all trying hard to get the job done as
well
> as can be expected. Nobody is perfect. We have worked very hard to get
this
> far and we SHALL NOT put up with anymore of your controlling and negative
> attitude!
>
> Senator Lorna Milne has tried her BEST and I AM VERY PROUD OF HER. She
has
> sacrificed many hours of her time on our behalf and she will go down in
> history (she is already written in Hansard, many Newspapers, News
Releases,
> Interviews, etc.) for all the wonderful and hard work that she has
> accomplished in obtaining the release of Post 1901 Censuses (so far -
1906,
> 1911, 1916) and the rest is yet to come.
>
> Muriel, Senator Lorna, Gordon and all others involved, KEEP UP THE GOOD
> WORK. Thank you so much!!
>
> Helene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Muriel M. Davidson" <>
> >To:
> >Subject: [CCC] Re: [NS-L] Post-1901 Census --- A Complete Sellout
> >Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:37:46 -0400
>
> >Lynton:-
> >Will you PLEASE stop being so critical -- you sound like
> >?Col John Devoe -- was he ever in the military!!
> >
> >Did you read all the Hansard data and Gordon's column
> >in Global Gazette -- you will find that Gordon and I -- ALSO
> >Senator Lorna Milne want unrestricted access to census
> >records. Amendments were not allowed to be presented,
> >which would have cut all the crap and restrictions.
> >Lorna is appointed -- this was a government bill -- so now
> >stop cutting her up --- she has done her best, and asked
> >that we now work with Members of Parliament.
> >
> >You are not helping by sending your messages to the
> >mail list -- send them to CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN
> >mail list -- it was set up for this kind of argument.
> >
> >Also, you are not helping yourself when you write this crap!
> >Muriel
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Lynton Stewart" <>
> >To: <>
> >Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NS-L] Post-1901 Census --- A Complete Sellout
> >
> >
> > > Muriel:
> > >
> > > I know for a fact that Gordon Watts and you are not pleased
> > > with the current bill. Let's get that out of the way in
> > > the very beginning. No criticism of you, or anyone else in
> > > the Canada Census Committee is implied here. But you will
> > > NOT like my remarks on this subject.
> > >
> > > In my humble, no longer a Canadian Citizen opinion, Senator
> > > Lorna Milne has sold the genealogy community right down the
> > > river. She is a genealogist herself. There is NO POSSIBLE
> > > WAY anyone that knows anything about genealogy could
> > > possible support this bill.
> > >
> > > But Senator Milne does support it. She not only supports
> > > it, she has introduced it. She continues to push it. Her
> > > name is still attached to it. She could remove her
> > > sponsorship from it, if she chose to. Nothing would happen
> > > to her if she did. She can't be kicked out of the Senate.
> > >
> > > So, I can only presume that some kind of a Quid Pro Quo has
> > > been reached. Her own legislative assistant has said that
> > > no substantive amendments will be allowed by the
> > > government. If it is amended in a way Minister Rock
> > > doesn't approve of, the government withdraws its support,
> > > and the bill dies. She knows this, and yet she still
> > > sponsors this bill.
> > >
> > > My letterss to the M.P.'s and Senators are ignored. After
> > > all, I'm not a Canadian, and even if I was, I don't live in
> > > their riding. I have sent in more than 100 letters (and
> > > the postage is NOT free from the United States). I sent in
> > > a petition with more than 300 signatures on it. But again,
> > > I received no acknowledgment at all. Of course, from what
> > > I understand, those living in Canada, and Canadian Citizens
> > > don't fare all that much better.
> > >
> > > I believe that every Canadian that is interested in this
> > > matter should read the debate that took place in the
> > > Senate. Some of the comments made there would fit very
> > > well in George Orwell's nightmares, or in "Animal Farm".
> > > It represents clearly the attitude that "Big Brother Knows
> > > Best", and that some people are much better than others.
> > >
> > > The simple fact of the matter is, your government has
> > > decided that they will allow you access to the 1911 and
> > > 1916 census data. Of course they knew that they would have
> > > had to release it anyway, because by NO stretch of Dr.
> > > Felligi's sick imagination did they fall under any
> > > "promise" that was ever made to any Canadian, living or
> > > dead.
> > >
> > > But, they are restricting that access, severely. If a court
> > > had ordered that those census returns be released, they
> > > could not have restricted that access. That's why they
> > > included them in this bill. And they will severely
> > > restrict access to all Census returns from 1911 through
> > > 2005. There will be access to the "Tombstone information",
> > > under rules yet to be determined. That's another one of
> > > the great unknows in this whole mess, the government will
> > > NOT state what those conditions will be.
> > >
> > > I would NOT count on the census after 1916 EVER being
> > > allowed on the Internet. If it is, they can't control it
> > > at all. Anyone could access it, and publish anything they
> > > wanted to, government be damned. They may be control
> > > freaks in Ottawa, but they are not fools.
> > >
> > > The real kicker in this whole bill will never effect the
> > > vast majority of people alive today. That's how they are
> > > selling thsi whole thing. We'll allow you access to all
> > > this data". That's the frosting on the cake. The only
> > > problem is, the cake underneath is totally rotten.
> > >
> > > Beginning with the 2006 census, at best only fragmentary
> > > census materials will be available to anyone. That
> > > material will only be available IF you, and your
> > > children/grandchildren, etc. take the time to check off the
> > > box allowing their descendants to have access to that data.
> > > If they forget to check it, that information is locked up
> > > forever, never to be released to anyone!
> > >
> > > This is what your friend is sponsoring. This is what a
> > > long term genealogist is putting her name on. Her name
> > > will forever be listed as the person sponsoring this
> > > abortion. I sincerely hope that as the years go by, that
> > > name will not be highly thought of by any person attempting
> > > to research their family history. I predict that over
> > > time, the name Lorna Milne will become the equivalent of a
> > > curse to genealogists.
> > >
> > > I certainly hope the 30 pieces of silver she accepted were
> > > worth it. I wonder which of her causes will soon see a
> > > bill sailing through?
> > > =====
> > > Lynton (Bill) Stewart
> >
> >
> >
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> >Read Gordon A. Watts' column on Post 1901 Census issues at
> > http://globalgazette.net
> >
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