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From: "Caroline Oxley" <>
Subject: RE: [CmnFHS] Re: John William senior
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:47:30 -0000
In-Reply-To: <001f01c62d92$f439c660$fbbc4054@OWNER1AQUXDCWG>

Hi Diana

Yes looks as though they are a different family, though it is a close call.
Funnily enough on my grandmother's side I also have another Williams family
including a John Williams but they seem to have come from Pembrey. It is
all very, very confusing!! Anyway I shall be watching your progess with


-----Original Message-----
From: diana murray
Sent: 09 February 2006 16:08
Subject: Re: [CmnFHS] Re: John William senior

Hello Caroline - oh dear what a shame. It doesn't fit or maybe the last
bits do but then they did not live in Marble hall until 1855 as far as I can
tell. My John Williams 1834/35 was part of Adulam Chapel. He was
living in Blaennant fach in 1841 with his sisters Margaret and Hannah.
He was with his sister Margaret in Caerfelyn Row in 1851 after she had
married John Hopkin in 1841. John William 1834/35 died of cholera in
1866 leaving a wife Margaret (nee Davies d/o Daniel Davies and Catherine
Morgan) I do not think this William family is any relation to yours. This
is my main line because it was my maiden name.

This is another lot of Williams family that I have as follows:-

My great grandfather John Williams (the s had been added) was born in 1857
and married Margaret Morgan born 1857(d/o William Morgan and Elizabeth
Williams of Marble Hall who married at Sion Chapel in 1856). Now it is
this Elizabeth Williams where I thought we had a match. Elizabeth
Williams c 1837 of Marble Hall's father was John Williams c 1804 born
Llanelly, a collier and her mother was Margaret born Llanelly c 1805. They
were living in Marble Hall in 1855 when William and Elizabeth married. I
cannot find them in Marble hall in the 1851 census. I think they were in
Twyn but I am not sure for certain. I have the same family in Riros Hill
in the 1841 census but both of these may not be correct. It looks right
but I have sent for the birth certificate of Elizabeth to see where they
were living when she was born. If the 1841 and 1851 census that I have is
correct then there are the following children and parents all born Llanelly

Ann c 1846
David c 1844
Elizabeth c 1837
Hannah c 1842
Hector 1835
John c 1840
John Williams born c 1804 head
Margaret born c 1805 wife

Now there is a third Williams family in my tree (just on my father's side as
I have them on my mother's side as well!!) This is my Davies side which
originally came from Llandefeilog.

John Williams 1857 (a deacon of Adulam chapel) married Margaret Davies who
was the daughter of Daniel Davies baptised 1807 Llandefeilog and Catherine
Morgan bapt 1807 Llanelly. They married on the 2/11/1834 at St. Eli's
church Llanelly. The father of William Davies was another William Davies
and he married Elizabeth William on the 2/121803 at Llandefeilog. This
Elizabeth William was baptised on 19/6/1785 at Llandefeilog the daughter of
James Williams and Mary Thomas. Could this possibly be the same line as

To be honest with you Caroline I now feel, having typed it all out, that I
do not know. The other thing is that your names of children do not look
right for my family. They seemed to use the same names down the
generations. I vaguely remember that when I went into Llanelli registry
office last spring looking for my family there was one John Williams who
married a Llewllyn and I did wonder if that was mine but it wasn't as it
turned out!!

I hope this email all makes sense. Perhaps the families will cross at
some stage - what do you think of the above?

best wishes

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