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From: "Pauline James" <>
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Harries/Howells
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:53:56 +0100


Hi Marilyn

I have printed your query out - I look if I can at marriage entries for
members when I have chance - CRO is reopening on Monday, see what I can find
for you, although these parish registers are on microfilm which takes longer
to locate.

The age of 74 is consistent with the 1851 census return - so he must have
died in 1866.......

With marriages pre 1837 - the only information given is names of both bride
and groom - if bachelor, widower, spinster, widow, if by consent of parents
(if under 21), parish if different from marriage parish, name of
vicar/curate, signature or mark of bride and groom and signatures or mark of
witnesses.........nothing else is given, unless the vicar had some remark to
make of the wedding.

If the marriage states on the CD that he was a wid - it does mean that he
was a widower.........I'll see what I can find for you - I can tell you that
the Conwil Elved registers leave a lot to be desired for the early years -
lots and lots of entries are missing - a new vicar to the parish wrote in
length about the neglect and mis-use of these registers which he thought was
appalling......

speak soon Pauline
-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn <>
To: <>
Date: 05 September 2001 13:07
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Harries/Howells


> Pauline: No, I am not SURE the year in our notes is positively
>correct! I guess I'm now finding out what so many researchers run
>across...your information to start with is only as good as the notes
>your ancestors left you!
>
> The handwritten notes on "Rachel Howells Davies" say:
> Born March 28, 1845 Conwil Elvet (sic)
> Came to America April, 1873
> Died Sept. 23, 1935 (cancer), age 90 years, 5 mo., 23 days
> Lived on Frog Creek Farm (Lebo, KS) from 1880 to death
>
> Her Father: John Howells
> Died Tachwedd -- 1866, age 74
> Wales
> Her Mother: Sophia Howells, April 25, 1894, age 89
>
>This would mean that:
> John was born in 1792 and age 37 when he married Sophia (?)
> Sophia was born in 1805 and 24 when she married John (?)
>
> But that's just an assumption (oops!) on my part because I don't
>have BIRTH dates for them, unless you can find one at the CRO on
>their marriage license when you look for the witnesses. Remember the
>CD says their date of marriage as June 9, 1829. It could also
>account for the 28 year difference in their dates of death I have.
>
> Here's a question for you. On the CD under Carms Marriages 1813-
>37 where their names are shown, out beside John's name is a Note that
>says "Wid", which I noticed it on quite a lot of the others, too.
>Does that mean "Widower"? If he was 13 years older than Sophia, he
>certainly could have been married before! What do you think? Thanks
>for any help.
>
>Marilyn
>
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Pauline James" <>
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Harries/Howells
>
>>Marilyn
>>
>>Are you sure the year was 1866 and not later maybe 1886 - how old
>was he -
>>did it mention, or even how old his wife was when she died
>later.......may
>>give a clue.....being as the writing was unclear in parts.
>>
>>Sorry about the other question, unsure where to get the best chart -
>there
>>must be so many around - hopefully another lister can assist here -
>I don't
>>have one myself yet!!
>>
>>Pauline
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Pauline James <>
>>To: <>
>>Date: 05 September 2001 09:51
>>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Harries/Howells
>>
>>
>>>Hi Marilyn
>>>
>>>Alvar has solved the question re Tachwedt - it is welsh for
>November.....I
>>>did not 'twig' when I saw this.
>>>
>>>I cannot find him buried in Conwil Elved burials that I have upto
>1875.....
>>>they baptised their children in the parish church so you would
>suppose they
>>>would be buried there too.......wonder if they are in Bethel
>Chapel......
>>>
>>>speak soon Pauline
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Marilyn <>
>>>To: <>
>>>Date: 03 September 2001 21:33
>>>Subject: [Cmn-L] Harries/Howells
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pauline: Thanks for the Howells' children's baptismal dates.
>>>>I'll record those (somewhere) and eventually look each of THOSE
>>>>siblings up! As a side, do you know of a good resource for a LARGE
>>>>size family tree chart that I can either purchase, or that can be
>>>>downloaded and then re-copied in a larger size? This multiple page
>>>>thing is going to leave too much room for me to make mistakes, I
>>>>think! Maybe I can find one locally, too.
>>>>
>>>> John Howells died in 1866 at Tachwedt (is that a parish or a
>>>>town?), but Sophia didn't die until 1894. I've never heard that
>any
>>>>of Rachel's other siblings came to the States. Odd that the two
>>>>girls came and no boys? Yes, I found John & Sophia's marriage on
>the
>>>>CD...it was June 9, 1829. That's how I found out what Sophia's
>last
>>>>name was. They were the only John Howells with a Sophia and the
>>>>other information you have been able to find all fits nicely,
>>>>including verifying the "8 children" and "Sophia Harri(e)s" in
>>>>Rachel's obit that I mentioned. At least I feel certain that all
>the
>>>>info we've been able to find/match up so far is accurate. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Marilyn Davies Rumley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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