CARMARTHENSHIRE-L Archives

Archiver > CARMARTHENSHIRE > 2001-10 > 1002715633


From: "Pauline James" <>
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:07:13 +0100


Hi Thomas

I cannot find any evidence of William and Maria Evans baptising their
children in Abergwilli parish church......There are baptisms for Penuel
chapel on the IGI - is this where you obtained the baptisms for these
people? Let me know.

If this family were non-conformists do you think they would be buried
accordingly, and not in the parish church - although saying that I know of
husband and wife buried separately in many instances - one is in the parish
church and the other is in a a chapel burial ground.

Did David give you the 1851 census for Abergwilly?? I know there is no
index to this yet, he must have viewed the microfilm itself.

Have you looked at your members CD to look for all relevant marriages - you
have between 1813-37 for all three counties....

Give me the information you have (children etc) and I'll see what I can
find for you.....

Pauline

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Malyn <>
To: <>
Date: 10 October 2001 12:21
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807


>Hi Pauline & List
>
>Carmarthen Archives looked up the 1851 census which gives William born in
>Carmarthen (I didn't know it was St Peter's) and Maria born in Meidrim
>(Mydrim in the return). Their ages were recorded as 48 and 44 years in the
>census. The children listed match with those born and "registered" at
>Penuel Baptist Chapel, Carmarthen including my G-Grandmother Harriet born
in
>May 1837. David Cooke wrote that this was a birth not a baptism. He
>concluded that the Brechfa marriage was the only one which fitted my GG
>grandparents. At the marriage William is listed as a Painter. I am
>confident that Maria was a Morris prior to marriage since apart from David
>Cooke's conclusion one of her grandchildren was christened William Thomas
>Morris Malyn (1865 Penarth).
>
>>From later births in Abergwili they must have moved to Abergwili around
the
>early 1840's and sometime afterwards William becomes an innkeeper in the
>village. I don't have the 1861, but the DFHS fiche for BMD fits Maria's
>age.
>
>As you say William may have died after 1875, previously you were right on
>this for my other GG grandfather Henry Malyn who died shortly after that
>date, also in Abergwili.
>
>I don't know whether Maria's family had moved to Brechfa or whether she as
>there alone, perhaps working there. David Cooke wrote that the marriage
was
>witnessed by two persons who were not obvious relatives.
>
>It would be good if you can find the parents of William and Maria and look
>forward to any info you may find.
>
>Thanks & regards
>
>
>Thomas
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pauline James" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>
>
>> Hi Thomas
>>
>> Do you think this burial is yours?? I looked at the marriage and it
states
>> that William Evans was from St Peters and Maria Morris Brechfa....
>>
>> When did these move to Abergwilli do you know? Have you checked the 1861
>> census to locate these people.
>>
>> Maybe William EVans is not in the burial index because he died after
>> 1875......there are quite a few possibilities.
>>
>> Maria Morris seems to be in different places, born in Meidrim, married in
>> Brechfa and died in Abergwilly.......do you know why she was in Brechfa
at
>> the time of her marriage??
>>
>> I'll see if I can see anything next time I am in the CRO....
>>
>> Pauline
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Malyn <>
>> To: <>
>> Date: 08 October 2001 21:22
>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>>
>>
>> >Hi Pauline and List
>> >
>> >At last I have got a bit more on the above who were my GG grandparents.
>> CRO
>> >gave me their marriage and age details. Maria and William married at
>> >Brechfa Parish Church in 1827. There are only limited details of the
>> couple
>> >in the register as usual for the pre 1837 marriages.
>> >
>> >Whilst William is listed as innkeeper-Abergwili in my G -grandparents
>> >marriage at Abergwili Parish Church in 1857 and in the 1851 census, no
>name
>> >appeared for the inn. I think that I've located Maria burial at the
>church
>> >in 1863 (Dyfed FHS fiche), the age given matches, but she seems to have
>> died
>> >in Bristol. I couldn't find a burial at Abergwili PC for William.
>> >
>> >The 1851 census gives their ages as 44 and 48 respectively. Maria
Morris
>> >was born about 1806/7 in Meidrim and William was born about 1802/3 in
>> >Carmarthen. Does anyone have parish index registers etc which would
>> >establish their parents?
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Thomas
>> >
>> >3508
>> >
>> >
>> >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>> >WALES GENEALOGY, The Easy Guide to Welsh Genealogy
>> >THE GENEALOGY SITE FOR THE WHOLE OF WELSH RESEARCH
>> >http://www.WalesGenealogy.co.uk
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>> Carmarthenshire FHS can be contacted by telephone: 01554-784875
>> Only general enquiries please, No research or lookups by carried out on
>the telephone.
>>
>>
>
>
>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ====
>WALES GENEALOGY, The Easy Guide to Welsh Genealogy
>THE GENEALOGY SITE FOR THE WHOLE OF WELSH RESEARCH
>http://www.WalesGenealogy.co.uk
>
>

This thread: