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From: "Pauline James" <>
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:27:32 +0100


Hi me again

Every marriage pre 1837 had to take place in the parish
church......registration did not come into force until 1837, after this time
the couple could choose either Church, registry office or Chapel if a
registrar was present......

I will look at this marriage because I like to see for myself before looking
at earlier records.......I'll let you know what I find out - there are just
too many places in St Peter Carmarthen to look for a William Evan/s but I'll
see if I can find anything relevant for Maria Morris - and yes, this does
seem to be the correct marriage entry.

Pauline

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Malyn <>
To: <>
Date: 10 October 2001 13:58
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807


>Hi Pauline
>
>Please see my answers to your note below
>
>Thanks and regards
>
>Thomas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pauline James" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>Hi Pauline
>
>
>You wrote
>
>> I cannot find any evidence of William and Maria Evans baptising their
>> children in Abergwilli parish church......There are baptisms for Penuel
>> chapel on the IGI - is this where you obtained the baptisms for these
>> people? Let me know.
>
>Yes, those born in Abergwili are stated on the 1851 census, I have a set of
>DFHS fiche for Abergwili PC.
>>
>> If this family were non-conformists do you think they would be buried
>> accordingly, and not in the parish church - although saying that I know
of
>> husband and wife buried separately in many instances - one is in the
>parish
>> church and the other is in a a chapel burial ground.
>
>David indicated that daughter Harriet's was a birth, not baptism. I don't
>know whether they were Non - Conformists or church. However William Evans
>and Maria were married in church. Daughter Harriet and William Malyn were
>also married in Abergwili Church.
>>
>> Did David give you the 1851 census for Abergwilly?? I know there is no
>> index to this yet, he must have viewed the microfilm itself.
>
>Yes, for William & Maria and those children who were still at home.
>>
>> Have you looked at your members CD to look for all relevant marriages -
>you
>> have between 1813-37 for all three counties....
>
>Yes, coupled with the IGI, I used them for my original screening of
>possibles.
> >
>> Give me the information you have (children etc) and I'll see what I can
>> find for you.....
>
>I think I have all their children thanks, Pauline those from Penuel, and
>those recorded on a note from David, as born in Abergwili. I suspect that
>Maria was visiting a married daughter in Bristol when she died.
>Its William & Maria's birth and their parents that I'm primarily interested
>at this time.
>>
>> Pauline
>
>Regards Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Malyn <>
>> To: <>
>> Date: 10 October 2001 12:21
>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>>
>>
>> >Hi Pauline & List
>> >
>> >Carmarthen Archives looked up the 1851 census which gives William born
in
>> >Carmarthen (I didn't know it was St Peter's) and Maria born in Meidrim
>> >(Mydrim in the return). Their ages were recorded as 48 and 44 years in
>the
>> >census. The children listed match with those born and "registered" at
>> >Penuel Baptist Chapel, Carmarthen including my G-Grandmother Harriet
born
>> in
>> >May 1837. David Cooke wrote that this was a birth not a baptism. He
>> >concluded that the Brechfa marriage was the only one which fitted my GG
>> >grandparents. At the marriage William is listed as a Painter. I am
>> >confident that Maria was a Morris prior to marriage since apart from
>David
>> >Cooke's conclusion, one of her grandchildren was christened William
>Thomas
>> >Morris Malyn (1865 Penarth).
>> >
>> >>From later births in Abergwili they must have moved to Abergwili around
>> the
>> >early 1840's and sometime afterwards William becomes an innkeeper in the
>> >village. I don't have the 1861, but the DFHS fiche for BMD fits Maria's
>> >age.
>> >
>> >As you say William may have died after 1875, previously you were right
on
>> >this for my other GG grandfather Henry Malyn who died shortly after that
>> >date, also in Abergwili.
>> >
>> >I don't know whether Maria's family had moved to Brechfa or whether she
>as
>> >there alone, perhaps working there. David Cooke wrote that the marriage
>> was
>> >witnessed by two persons who were not obvious relatives.
>> >
>> >It would be good if you can find the parents of William and Maria and
>look
>> >forward to any info you may find.
>> >
>> >Thanks & regards
>> >
>> >
>> >Thomas
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Pauline James" <>
>> >To: <>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Thomas
>> >>
>> >> Do you think this burial is yours?? I looked at the marriage and it
>> states
>> >> that William Evans was from St Peters and Maria Morris Brechfa....
>> >>
>> >> When did these move to Abergwilli do you know? Have you checked the
>1861
>> >> census to locate these people.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe William EVans is not in the burial index because he died after
>> >> 1875......there are quite a few possibilities.
>> >>
>> >> Maria Morris seems to be in different places, born in Meidrim, married
>in
>> >> Brechfa and died in Abergwilly.......do you know why she was in
Brechfa
>> at
>> >> the time of her marriage??
>> >>
>> >> I'll see if I can see anything next time I am in the CRO....
>> >>
>> >> Pauline
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Thomas Malyn <>
>> >> To: <>
>> >> Date: 08 October 2001 21:22
>> >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Births of William Evans & Maria Morris 1803 & 1807
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Pauline and List
>> >> >
>> >> >At last I have got a bit more on the above who were my GG
>grandparents.
>> >> CRO
>> >> >gave me their marriage and age details. Maria and William married
at
>> >> >Brechfa Parish Church in 1827. There are only limited details of the
>> >> couple
>> >> >in the register as usual for the pre 1837 marriages.
>> >> >
>> >> >Whilst William is listed as innkeeper-Abergwili in my G -grandparents
>> >> >marriage at Abergwili Parish Church in 1857 and in the 1851 census,
no
>> >name
>> >> >appeared for the inn. I think that I've located Maria burial at the
>> >church
>> >> >in 1863 (Dyfed FHS fiche), the age given matches, but she seems to
>have
>> >> died
>> >> >in Bristol. I couldn't find a burial at Abergwili PC for William.
>> >> >
>> >> >The 1851 census gives their ages as 44 and 48 respectively. Maria
>> Morris
>> >> >was born about 1806/7 in Meidrim and William was born about 1802/3 in
>> >> >Carmarthen. Does anyone have parish index registers etc which would
>> >> >establish their parents?
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards
>> >> >
>> >> >Thomas
>> >> >
>> >> >3508
>> >> >
>> >> >
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