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From: "Pauline James" <>
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] THOMAS of Llanfynydd
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:55:36 +0100
References: <003101c32eb2$51f47ee0$9c00a8c0@cmnfhs2> <009301c3302b$53133300$994750c2@Computing>


HI David

I can rule two of the Martha Thomas's out...

Martha Thomas aged 37 living in Crachgelly fach was an unmarried servant
born Gloucester working for a David Edward a 32 year old farmer.

The one in Llandeilo fawr aged 38 was the wife of David Thomas

I have 63 Martha Thomas's in 1851 that have been indexed so far, but not one
seems to fit.....I will have another look.....

Pauline

----- Original Message -----
From: "David John" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] THOMAS of Llanfynydd


> Thank you Pauline & Oliver for taking the trouble to search for me.
>
> The ages were from the 1841 census. The full household was:
>
> William Thomas 29 Farmer
> Martha " 32
> Thomas " 8
> William " jnr 6
> Martha " jnr 5
> Anne " 3
> Margaret 10 mnths
> Daniel Rees 22 MS
> David Jenkins 20 "
> Henry Evans 18 "
> John Evans 12 "
> Sophia Rees 27 FS
> Ester Davies 19 "
> Hanah Evans
> Margaret Rees 23 ind
>
> My interest is in Martha Thomas (born about 1835-6), who married Thomas
John
> at Llanfrynach Glamorgan in 1859 (giving her father's name as William, and
> his occupation as Yeoman).
> Her place of birth in later census was left as "Carmarthenshire", but the
> only where more detail is given it is difficult to decipher. It begins
Llan,
> the next letter may be a faint "f", while the other letters could be any
> combinations of n w and u etc. The last letter may be a y, or it may be a
> tick added by someone counting people born outside Glamorgan.
> There was nothing conclusive found in the Glamorgan 1851 census or the
> excerpts of the Carmarthenshire 1851 census on QuickBase, so we've been
> ploughing through the 1841 Carmarthenshire census parish by parish looking
> for Martha aged about 5 in the household of William who was a farmer. The
> best possibility we've found so far is the one in Llanfynydd.
>
> The closest matches for William Martha's marriage was in Llanarthney in
> 1832 or Llandybie in 1830 (Martha's surname was Rees in both cases).
>
> I've also got two queries about the elder Martha.
> There is a Martha Thomas who appeared in the on-line Carmarthenshire
master
> burials database who was buried 16 May 1853 age 41, her abode is given as
> Crachgelli, Llanfynydd. Is she in the 1851 census as a member of a
separate
> family?
>
> Other possibility is found in the 1881 census where a Martha Thomas who
was
> born in Llanfynydd who was within 4 years of the Martha in the 1841 census
> was living alone as a widow at Tan Y Lan, Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen (age
68,
> Ag Labourers Widow). Was there a Thomas family at this address in 1851?
>
> Thank you
>
> David John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline James" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, 09 June, 2003 7:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] THOMAS of Llanfynydd
>
>
> > HI David
> >
> > I cannot seem to find this family in Llanfyndd in 1851......I cannot
find
> a
> > marriage for them either......
> >
> > Are the ages you have given for the 1841 census and not the 1851 census,
> as
> > I am adding on 10 years to the ages given....perhaps that is why??
> >
> > let me know and I'll look again Pauline
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David John" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:17 PM
> > Subject: [Cmn-L] THOMAS of Llanfynydd
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Can anyone with access to the 1851 & 1861 census for Llanfynydd look
up
> > the
> > > family of William Thomas (a Farmer, born about 1812) for me?
> > >
> > > In 1841 he was at Cwm Ban Fach with wife Martha (32) and children
> William
> > > (6), Martha (5), Anne (3) and Margaret (10m). If Martha Jr is indeed
my
> > > g-g-g-grandmother she should not be present in 1861 as she was married
> in
> > > Lysworney, Glamorgan by then.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > David John
> > >
> > >
> > >
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