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From: "sharon macvicar" <>
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] RE: rees family history
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:53:39 -0300
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Liz
Maybe you could help me with something.
The names that I sent to you are mostly from the 1891 census.
I was looking on the 1881 census today and on it William and Catherine,
Catherine and Margaret are born in the same places but the others it says
they were born in Porth.
What is the difference in the two places as I am very confused with all of
the different places the are in Wales.
They are both the same family but for this.
Sharon and thankyou for the help that you have given.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liz Rees" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: [Cmn-L] RE: rees family history


> Hello Sharon
> No, all my Reeses were in Llanelli back to at least the 1720s (and
> probably
> therefore since time immemorial!).
> I probably have some connection with most Llanelli Reeses, but there were
> another whole lot in Glam, especially around Neath, that seem to have no
> connection at all.
> Best regards
> Liz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sharon macvicar [mailto:]
> Sent: 10 April 2006 22:50
> To:
> Subject: Re: rees family history
>
> Hello Liz
> I may be grasping at straws here, but I was wondering if you would have
> these people in your history
>
> On the Census there was
>
> William Rees b.1845 at Llanmaes, Glamorgan
> Catherine Rees b. 1848 at Llantwit, Glamorgan
> Catherine E Rees b.1869 Drebanog, Glamorgan
> Margaret Rees b. 1870 Drebanog, Glamorgan
> Nathaniel Rees b. 1874 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> Joseph Rees b. 1876 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> William Rees b. 1878 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> Annie Rees b.1883 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> Arthur Rees b.1885 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> David Rees b. 1886 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> Mary Louisa Rees b. 1887 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
> Miriam Rees b.1890-91 at Llantrisant, Glamorgan
>
> I am pretty new at this and this is all that I can come up with.
> Although my mother says that my grandmother was born in Tonypandy, as this
> is all Dutch to me. Everything is the same, what I mean is that all her
> brothers and sisters are here too. I thought that doing my fathers side of
> the family was hard this is so much harder. England has so many different
> areas but Wales has even more. Areas inside of areas inside of areas.
> Any help that you could give me would be so much appreciated.
> Sharon from Nova Scotia, Canada
> P.S. I hope that I am not being a bother to you as this is not my
> intention.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liz Rees" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:06 PM
> Subject: [Cmn-L] RE: Field House (Glanmor House, Springfields), Llanelly
>
>
>> Peter
>> If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ and search on Llanelli you can
>> see
>
>> a
>> map of 1889-91. It's quite small scale but click near where the word
>> "Copperworks" is then select "enlarged view" which will open in a new
>> window.
>> Glanmor House is marked along with St Peter's Church adjacent, behind a
>> large block which was the Marshfield Tinworks, although it isn't named on
>> the map.
>> There's a bit about the house in the history of Copperworks School
>> "Cradled
>> in Copper", which I've just acquired and was astonished when it fell open
>> at
>> a picture of me!
>> If your ancestor is named as "head" in the census I suspect there wasn't
>> another family living there at the time. He may have been left in charge
>> by
>> the owners who were living elsewhere.
>> Best regards
>> Liz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: peter lister [mailto:]
>> Sent: 10 April 2006 17:50
>> To:
>> Subject: Field House (Glanmor House, Springfields), Llanelly
>>
>> Hello Pauline,
>>
>> Thank you very much for this.
>>
>> Reading your notes we now imagine that perhaps the church was built of
>> some of the land of the house and then the house was demolished at a
>> later date. An uncle has seen an old British Steel map - but many years
>> ago - that shows the outline of the house in the area of Llanelli that
>> is home to the church and the street named in association with the house
>> the field and yes - the Neville family.
>>
>> http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=5673
>> We had thought that we had once found a reference to the Llanelly
>> Glanmor House here in the 'Cambrian' files but cannot now find it. Will
>> keep looking!
>>
>> In 1861 Census
>> RG9/4111, folio 18, pg. 29, sch. 157, Llanelly
>>
>> At: Field House (Glanmor House, Springfields), Llanelly
>>
>>
>> William Thomas, head, wid., 63, house serv. & ? of livery, b.
>> Glam., Wenvoe c 1798
>> William Ll. Thomas, son,...... 14, blacksmith & ???......... b.
>> Glam., Swansea c 1847
>> Sarah Jane Thomas, daur.,....11, scholar,..................
>> b. Carm., Llanelly c 1850
>> Rebecah Thomas, daur.,........ 8, scholar,..................
>> b. Carm., Llanelly c 1853
>> Christened (as Rebecca Thomas) 6 Feb 1853
>> Illtyd Thomas, son,................ 4, scholar,.............
>> b. Carm., Llanelly c 1857
>> Poss Illtyd William Thomas who dies in 1891
>> John Thomas, son,................. 2,.......................
>> b. Carm., Llanelly c 1859
>> Margaret Weaver, servant, wid., 32, housekeeper,.......... b.
>> Pemb., Castle Martin c 1829
>>
>> This is our direct line - down from William Llewellyn Thomas. We have
>> rechecked and for 1851 they are at 'cottages' by the foundry' - not
>> Glanmor House, apologies. However we do not have the main family of the
>> house for 1861 or 1871. For 1881 it is the John family - we guess they
>> are linked to the Copperworks and or Felinfoel Brewery.
>>
>> We are looking for the full entry for Glanmor House in the census for
>> 1861 onwards.
>>
>> Our 5th great-grandfather William Thomas was still working as a coachman
>> for the John family at Glanmor House in 1881 when he was 84.
>>
>> William Llewellyn Thomas went on to become a builder living in Railways
>> Cottages and then building his own house that he names 'Wenvoe' at
>> Pentrepoeth across from Parc Howard - we have never found him in any
>> trade directories so assume he was an employee.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> I grw up on
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pauline James [mailto:]
>> Sent: 10 April 2006 15:44
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW - Llanelly,
>> Carmarthenshire
>>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> I cannot establish exactly where Field/Glanmor House stood........CFHS
>> have
>> scanned Old Llanelly by John Innes onto a CD and there is a sketch of
>> the
>> Field House.......
>>
>> This is written in Carmarthenshire Historical Homes
>>
>> Glanmor or Field House, so called in 1875, demolished c1902 - skeetch of
>>
>> house in 'Old Llanelly by John Innes'
>>
>> Also this
>> WESTFA Felinfoel Llanelly
>> House of the Neville family. Charles Neville a business man who came
>> from
>> Birmingham, was the first of his family to settle at Vauxhall, Llanelli,
>>
>> where he was engaged with the Copperworks in 1804. He and his wife were
>>
>> deeply religious and strong supporters of the Wesleyan denomination, and
>>
>> members of the Wesleyan chapel in Llanell, where he often conducted
>> services. His son Richard Janion Neville was High sheriff in 1836. In
>> 1848
>> commenced the building of the house of Westfa for the Neville's. The
>> next
>> member of the family to occupy it was Charles William Neville described
>> as
>> owner of 517 acres in 1873. Westfa is a commodious house, of three
>> floors,
>> and 29 rooms in all now converted into flats......
>>
>> **
>> If it was demolished in 1902ish.......St Peters church was conducting
>> christenings etc from 1895........so it cannot be built on that exact
>> spot....
>>
>> Yes, I know that part of Llanelli well........there is also a Neville
>> Street
>> off Paddock Street.......
>>
>> Let me know exactly what info you have and who you are looking for....
>>
>> Pauline
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "peter lister" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:47 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW - Llanelly,
>> Carmarthenshire
>>
>>
>>> Dear Pauline,
>>>
>>> We thought that we would look at the IGI batches for Kidwelly and this
>>> marriage for a BROWN came up - but no links but may well be an
>>> interesting long-shot target at some point!
>>>
>>> ANNA BROWN
>>> Marriages:
>>> Spouse: JOHN LLOYD
>>> Marriage: 20 NOV 1670 Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>
>>> Hannah Maria HENSHAW was the servant in the home of John and Sophia
>>> EDWARDS (1901 census - 19 Ralph Street, Llanelly) and it was always
>> said
>>> that she was related in some way - but this is just not coming through
>> -
>>> but thanks to you - and ,as you say, their names! - the information is
>>> coming through very quickly.
>>>
>>> Sophia (nee Evans) EDWARDS' family were originally from Pembrokeshire
>> so
>>> maybe the link is through Marian HENSHAW (b. Saundersfoot).
>>>
>>> Thank you very, very much - incidentally - Hannah HENSAW's parent's
>>> house on Paddock Street is possibly the area where Field/Glanmor House
>>> originally stood.
>>>
>>> If you know this area of Llanelly you will see Glanmor Terrace,
>> Paddock
>>> Street and other streets with names associated with the house and
>> field.
>>> I believe that St. Peter's Church, Llanelli was built roughly where
>>> Field/Glanmor House once stood.
>>>
>>> If you know any better or any more please do let me know!
>>>
>>> Very best wishes, Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pauline James [mailto:]
>>> Sent: 10 April 2006 14:26
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW - Llanelly,
>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>
>>> Hi Peter
>>>
>>> are we on a roll??
>>>
>>> marriage Llanelly St Elly parish church
>>> Robert Henshaw and Jane Brown
>>>
>>> nicer names to search than Thomas, Davies, Williams and Jones.....
>>>
>>> Pauline
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "peter lister" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:00 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW - Llanelly,
>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Pauline,
>>>>
>>>> Just had a look at the IGI for Robert and Jane HENSHAW children -
>>> these
>>>> came up. So it seems possible that these two could be brothers (sons
>>> of
>>>> Robert HENSHAW the elder b circa 1788) one the grand-father and one
>>> the
>>>> great-uncle for Hannah Maria HENSHAW.
>>>>
>>>> We did not have her father's - the younger Robert HENSHAW - father
>>> prior
>>>> to this - so will work from this very helpful information.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your time and expertise!
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. GEORGE HENSHAW - International Genealogical Index
>>>> Gender: Male Christening: 23 NOV 1823 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>>
>>>> 2. MARY HENSHAW - International Genealogical Index
>>>> Gender: Female Christening: 21 NOV 1813 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>>
>>>> 3. MARY HENSHAW - International Genealogical Index
>>>> Gender: Female Christening: 26 AUG 1821 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>>
>>>> 4. WM. HENSHAW - International Genealogical Index
>>>> Gender: Male Christening: 16 JUL 1815 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pauline James [mailto:]
>>>> Sent: 10 April 2006 13:15
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW -
>> Llanelly,
>>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>>
>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>
>>>> These are the entries from 1851 census Llanelly Henshaw......perhaps
>>>> William
>>>> is the son of Robert? Who was the father of the Robert Henshaw you
>>> have
>>>>
>>>> 1851 census Llanelly HO107/2468 enu 2,1f sch 92 page 26
>>>> Cylwrva vach
>>>> William Henshaw head marr 34 Smith born Llanelly
>>>> Marian Henshaw wife marr 31 born Saundersfoot Pembs
>>>> Thomas son 12 at foundry
>>>> Mary dau 9
>>>> Robert son 8
>>>> Jane dau 5
>>>> Maria dau 3
>>>> Catherine dau 9 mth
>>>>
>>>> all children born Llanelly
>>>>
>>>> Upper Water Street Llanelly enu dist 1E sch 81 pg 22
>>>> Robert Henshaw head 63 shoemaker born Llanelly
>>>> Jane Henshaw wife marr 60 born Kidwelly
>>>> George Henshaw son un 27 Smith born Llanelly
>>>> Jane Henshaw dau 23 un born Llanelly
>>>>
>>>> these were the only two Henshaw families in Llanelly .....born
>>> Llanelly
>>>>
>>>> No Glanmor House mentioned in 1851.....only Glanmor cottages.......
>>>>
>>>> Pauline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "peter lister" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:44 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW -
>> Llanelly,
>>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Pauline,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much - Elsie kindly found her father Robert HENSHAW
>> in
>>>>> 1891, he was born in 1856 so would not have been on 1851. But by
>>>> first
>>>>> name I wonder if the Robert HENSHAW that you mention below was
>>> perhaps
>>>>> his father or Grandfather?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking again at the dates, maybe this Robert below is Hannah
>> Maria's
>>>>> GGgrandfather.
>>>>>
>>>>> William below could be a great grandfather.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it would be interesting to see these in case they do
>>>>> cross-reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> May I just ask, were you able to find any of the main residents of
>>>>> Glanmor House where William THOMAS was in service?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for you time and help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes, Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pauline James [mailto:]
>>>>> Sent: 10 April 2006 11:48
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW -
>>> Llanelly,
>>>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two Henshaw families residing in Llanelli 1851 census.....
>>>>>
>>>>> One is Robert Henshaw aged 60 shoemaker and family living in Upper
>>>> Water
>>>>>
>>>>> Street
>>>>>
>>>>> the other is William Henshaw aged 34 smith and family living in
>>>> Cilwrva
>>>>> fach
>>>>>
>>>>> do you want these entries - do you think they are belonging.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember a Henshaw's in Burry Port....... they ran a grocer/tuck
>>>> shop
>>>>>
>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "peter lister" <>
>>>>> To: <>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 5:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] 1891 look-up for Hannah Maria HENSHAW - Llanelly,
>>>>> Carmarthenshire
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone please help out with an 1891 look-up for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hannah Maria HENSHAW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have her in the 1901 census as a servant in Llanelly where she
>> is
>>>>>> named Hannah Manna HENSHAW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On this entry she is described as 16 years of age and born in
>>>> Llanelly
>>>>> -
>>>>>> so her year of birth was roughly 1885.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and in anticipation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best, Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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