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From: "Pauline James" <>
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Theophilus Harris
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:29:58 +0100
References: <m2G0qDAfNSAGFwlB@pcubed.demon.co.uk>


Hi Pat and Gwyn

Glad you are on the hunt too....... Llandeilo fawr is where the baptism was
from, and as you know I have the actual register to view and it did state
Harry David as father......not as in the IGI when they use both ways, but I
think this was too far away, if he states born Llanboidy and married in
Pembs.

I too the same as you would assume Llanboidy as that is closer to Pembs, you
are the expert on Pembs - I found the marriage, and it listed ropemaker
too.......what do you think.....do you think that Llanddeusant and Llandeilo
fawr are incorrect ....also Llanddeusant does not have any marriages 1800 or
1801, so do not know where that record came from.....it's no wonder Gwyn
cannot fathom this out, as think he is looking in the wrong place

hope you have solved the question.....I too looked at 1861 and it gave
Theophilus as a widower.....

thanks - what else can you 'dig up', would love to be able to solve his
riddle

thanks Pauline


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <>
To: <>; <>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Theophilus Harris


> Hello Gwyn
>
> I've neen having a look at this and I've got a theory!!!
>
> It may or may not be right but you may like to explore it.
>
> 1) Re the birthplace of Theophilus. I see that 1861 and 1871 are both
> Llanboidy with 1851 Llandybie.
>
> Given that he is up in North Wales with different accents I suppose it
> is possible for Llanboidy and Llandybie to be mixed up with the
> transposing of the b and the d.
>
>
> 2) Re the father you quote as Harry David - given that in earlier times
> a surname Harries or Harris was often Harry could it not be possible
> that the father was actually David Harry rather than Harry David?
>
> This is something that often crops up on the IGI records which is why
> they also have a firstname index on their fiche.
>
>
> Putting both of these theories together I had a look at Llanboidy
> marriages and there is one for a David Harry to Jane Thomas on July 10th
> 1802 in Llanboidy.
>
> In the 1841 census in Llanboidy David (aged 60) and Jane (aged55) are
> shown as Harries and in 1851 as Harry aged 72 and 68 resp.
>
> David is shown as born PEM Jordanston and Jane CMN Llanboidy.
>
> THis is all rather tenuous - but could be worth checking out - anyway I
> enjoyed the hunt!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> In message <>,
> <> writes
>>Hi Pauline,
>>All I know about Theophilus is what I have already given you,
>>unfortunately. Judging by the confusing information I have on him he
>>seems to have been an evasive man, someone who doesn't trust people a
>>lot! There'e a really confusing 1861 Census on him in Pwllheli that
>>is
>>still bugging me to this day!
>>Other information I have on him is that he died at Pwllheli in 1880
>>aged 78, his profession was a ropemaker, he had 2 known children,
>>William (born 1828 in Haverfordwest, but has put down Aberteifi in
>>the
>>1891 Census), and Mary who married in Anglesey at 16 years old). His
>>wife was Catherine Reynolds and I believe they married in Prendergast
>>sometime in the mid 1820's. I suppose he lived here before moving up
>>to
>>Pwllheli.
>>Do you want the links to the IGI pages that I found?
>>This is for the marriage in Llanddeusant
>>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?
>>PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp
>>
>>This is the IGI page for Harry David's birth in Llanddeusant in 1776.
>>It has David Harry as his father.
>>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?
>>PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp
>>
>>Hope this makes sense to you or anyone else. I wonder if a death
>>certificate would have his parents names on them? I recently got one
>>for an ancestor in Vermont and it had her mother's maiden name and
>>father's name on it. What do you think?
>>All the best,
>>Gwyn
>>
>>
>>
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