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Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Llanelly/Llanelli
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 12:40:57 EDT
Sharon,
Just thinking, if Walter was from Llanedy, I assume that's still
Carmathenshire? He put on census after that born in county, Llanelli, which is ok,
but why did they get married 30 miles away in Merythr Tydfil, as their
parish? Can't understand that one.
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time,
writes:
Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this
parish
is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan
near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias.
I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams
married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan.
You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will
look up the children for you
Regards Sharon
In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time,
writes:
Sharon,
Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does
lookups
for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages?
Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've
got
for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe
before
I just don't know.
Regards
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time,
writes:
Hi Helen
Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of
the
younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within
Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is
that
they
may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under
age
of
marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then
married
in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's
birth
cert it would also give an address which would also give you
information
to
track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the
family
still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other
marriage
date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her
married
name, as she may have also been widowed.
I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go
either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards
ages.
you
have probably found that each research site also states age variations.
It
took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from
children's marriages back to the parents.
Hope i have been of some help
Sharon
In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time,
writes:
Can SKS please help me?
I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like
forever,
to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly,
Camarthenshire.
I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can
anyone
tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would
cover
the
area Llanelly?
On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged
25
with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I
asked
the
Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find
one,
and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be
that
they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I
searched
for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only
baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838
(she put
aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they
advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!??
Archives
could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann
and
Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot
seem
to
find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought
if
I
could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more
about
Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a
Jane
Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861
Walter
is put
as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in
Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane
Thomas and
it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name
Thomas.
So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly
looking
in the wrong area?
So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other
areas
should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby.
The
only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which
only
confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from
his
second
marriage.
Regards
Helen
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