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From: John Carpenter <>
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:32:08 -0700


Dear Tony,

Here is some data that Bruce E. Carpenter asked on the same subject.

Hope it helps,

John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

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From: jrcrin001
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Subject: Re: Coat-of-Arms
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:00:21 -0700
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Dear Bruce,

This question has many answers. The reason for this is which
Hertefordshire line? Several Coat-of-Arms came out of this line. Their
ancestry however is common with William "the carpenter" De Melun. Thus
the oldest Herfordshire line carries the same basic Coat of Arms as
William's.

William Carpenter of Homme is the traditional ancestor or founder of the
American line. See the data below. The notes for him describe the Coat
of Arms, history et cetera.

I hope this answers your question.

Sincerely,

John R. Carpenter Working on a Carpenter
2000 CD.
5850 Yorkshire Ave. Carpenter GEDCOMS
Wanted!
La Mesa, CA 91942-2821 I will share my data for your
data.
U.S.A.
(619) 466-5910 Fax / voice message - E-mail address:

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:28:50 -0400 "carpenter" <>
writes:
>John:
>Could you take a minute to answer a question.
>What does the oldest known Herfordshire-Carpenter
>arms look like, and specifically what crest?
>
>yours,
>Bruce Carpenter
>Nara Japan
>
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INDIVIDUAL DATA
RIN:91
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Name:William CARPENTER William of Homme Sex:M ID
No:8LC0-35
Birth:Abt 1440 Place:Homme,Hertfordshire,England
Chr: Place:
Marr: Spouse:(CARPENTER)-700
Marr: Spouse:
Marr: Spouse:
Death:Abt 1520 Place:of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England
Burial:Abt 1520 Place:of,Dilwyne,Herefordshire,England
Father:John the younger CARPENTER-90 Mother:(CARPENTER)-702
Notes
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!WILLIAM OF HOMME RESIDED IN PART OF DILWYNE, HEREFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND PER
1898
BOOK. SEE ALSO GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK BY
LEWIS
1912.
PAGE 1252 AND 1317. PAGE 1317 GIVES BIRTH ABOUT 1480 INSTEAD OF 1440.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE REAL "WILLIAM OF HOMME" WAS THE SON OF THIS
WILLIAM?
!AKA: William of Hereford.

!AFN 8LC0-35 is the same as AFN 4JG8-24 & AFN 4JG8-XL.
!Believed to be the common ancestor of all English Carpenter's in
America.

!Oxford University records indicate that William of Hereford had sons
James, John, William and Richard.

!Holm is a saxon word signifying "a woody situation."
!The property at Homme or Holm stayed in the family until 1787, when it
passed
to the Deverux and Peploe Family. Per Robinson's "Mansions and Manors
of
Herefordshire." In 1873 it was the residence of Lady Frances Vernon
Harcourt,
who was the daughter of John Lothrop Motley, the distinguished American
Historian.
!This William of Homme is the common ancestor of our Carpenter Family in
America. Coat of Arms is a common way of tracing lineage. *********
The arms granted to Lord George Carpenter in 1719, as published
in the account of his life (The Life and Times of Lord George . . .)
were
Pally of six, argent and gules on a chevron, azure,three cross
crosslets,
or.
CREST, on a wreath a globe in a frame all or. Supporters, two horses,
party-perfess, embattled argent and gules. MOTTO: "Per Actua Belli"
(Through
the Asperities of War).
John the Elder, Bishop, granduncle to this William, had the same Coat of
Arms.
The same arms, less the supporters and motto, were used by the
Herefordshire
Carpenter family and were emblazoned in a glass window of the college
and
church at Westbury upon Trin as early as 1443. They were placed there
by
permanently by Bishop John (the Elder) Carpenter of Worcester, who was a
native of Westbury and a great benefactor of the college, having rebuilt
and
refounded it. Bishop John Carpenter died in 1476 and was buried in the
church, where a plain altar monument was errected to his memory. This
church (in 1890) is the Holy Trinity of Bristol, and is described in
Willi's
Survey of Cathedrals, published in 1742. And in Atykn's and Rudder's
History
of Gloucester where there is a very interesting sketch of Bishop
John Carpenter who was also known as "Master John Carpenter" mentioned
in
the
will of the town clerk of London, John Carpenter, the younger.

!FOUNDER: William Carpenter of Homme is concidered the common ancestor
of
the
following branches of the Carpenter Family:
- REHOBOTH, MA Branch - Capt. William C. son of William (who married
Elizabeth
the daughter of John of James the son of William of Homme) of Robert
(who
married Eleanor C. daughter of Robert of William the son of William of
Homme) of
William of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme.
- PROVIDENCE, RI Branch - William of Amesbury C. son of Richard of
Robert
(who
married Eleanor C. - see above) of William (who married Elizabeth C. -
see
above) of Robert of Richard the son of William of Homme.
- PHILADELPHIA, PA Branch - Samuel the son of John the Sheriff of
Robert,
of Stephen of Robert of William the son of William of Homme.
- VIRGINIA BRANCH - Nathaniel Carpenter through his sons John and
Joseph.
Nathaniel was the son of Joseph Carpenter, the grandson of William
Carpenter
of Amesbury, the founder of the PROVIDENCE, RI Branch of the Carpenters.
Nathaniel was the son of Hannah Carpenter, the grandson of Captain
William
Carpenter, the founder of the REHOBOTH, MA Branch of the Carpenters.
- LORD LINES - William of Cobham (of William of Alexander of William of
John
of James the son of William of Homme) who was granted a Coat of Arms in
1663.
AND - Warncomb Carpenter (of Thomas of James of James of William of John
of
James the son of William of Homme) whose youngest son, George became
page
to the Earl of Montague, and on account of faithful service rendered to
the
Crown was created "Baron Carpenter of Killaghy" in 1719.
- FEMALE LINE NOT LISTED ABOVE - Alice Carpenter (of Alexander of
William
of
John of James the son of William of Homme) who married a Edward
Southworth
then married Govenor William Bradford of Plymouth Colony.
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