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From: John Carpenter <>
Subject: Re: Count Godefroy of Avesne
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:44:49 -0700
References: <001301bfad00$2bc80fc0$6556f4a0@tezukayamau.ac.jp>

Dear Bruce,

You wrote "The Godefroy Carpentier discussed by Jean le Carpenter
was not, and could not have been, Count Godefroy of Avesne."

Would you kindly explain again why "Godefroy de Carpentier, Sire de
Daniel and d'Avesnes-les-Obert" as described in the Sellers 1909 book
are not the same?

I must have missed something. Thank you in advance for taking the time
to explain this.

John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

"Some of the descendants of the aforesaid Godefroy de Carpentier, Sire
de Daniel and d'Avesnes-les-Obert (benefactor of the
Abbey of Vaucelles according to a title of the year 1280,
and brother of the aforesaid Siger, Sire de Vannes),
left for England and Holland, where they bear different
arms, although descended from the same house which
recognizes as its originators of the ancient and illustrious
Seigneurs de Gouy or Goy, who are so renowned in the
archieves of the abbies of St. Vaast d'Arras, Mont St.
Elloy, Honnecourt, Mont St. Martin, etc., since the
year 1036, which is mentioned by Andre Du Chesne in
his genealogical works."
!BOOK: GENEALOGY OF THE DE CARPENTIER FAMILY OF HOLLAND BY EDWIN JAQUETT
SELLERS, printed in PHILADELPHIA, PA in 1909.


carpenter wrote:
>
> John:
> The Godefroy Carpentier discussed by Jean le Carpenter
> was not, and could not have been, Count Godefroy of Avesne.
> I thought this silly mistake was settled long ago.
> Jean le carpentier had found evidence that Siger and
> Godefroy Carpenter were grown men in 1200 ( furent en grand estime a Cambray
> & aux environs au siecle 1200).
> The 'bienfacteur de l'Abbaye de Vaucelles par Titre de l'an 1280' refers to
> property given an abbey after the death of Godefroy Carpentier. We do not
> even know
> how long after. Certainly Count Godefroy of Avesne was born in 1213, but he
> was
> unrelated to this Carpentier group. This is another
> absurd mistake that is going to become sanctified.
> Cordially,
> Bruce E. Carpenter

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